I think they are the ones I got from S&A, but they don't look a thing like the picture. I am wearing mine now in fact and they are very durable, like a medium weight denim I suppose. If they got wet, they'd take longer to dry than issued lightweights, but I don't think it'd take too long. I think lightweights are the best trousers to wear to be quite honest with you, but I can't as it is part of my uniform and it wouldn't be worth the grief wearing them in my own time.