Rule of Three

[TLM]

Or you're potentially a psychopath.

Apparently just their emotional type response is different. The easiest explanation is still that you don't understand what is happening, followed by trained response.

I did not jump out of perfectly good airplanes just for the fun of it but did pack chutes for gliders when I used to fly. Some slightly harrowing out-of-field landings though. The time slowing effects were more than interesting.

When we used to teach women combative responses for self defence we used to intentionally get into their faces , within their personal space and use all the colourful swear words one would expect ( and more.. ) from an aggressor - the idea being to approach the tolerance trigger level of where one panics from nasty words and train that adrenal panic response out of their thought / reaction process.

You don't tell me, we did try that and for local ladies the main response was that "why did you swear at me, there is no reason", some carried a grudge for weeks. We reverted to just scaring them, seemed to work better for most. It is somewhat interesting that many men seem to learn to respond in a more rational way just by receiving hits in practice.

 

[TeeDee]

Apparently just their emotional type response is different. The easiest explanation is still that you don't understand what is happening, followed by trained response.

I did not jump out of perfectly good airplanes just for the fun of it but did pack chutes for gliders when I used to fly. Some slightly harrowing out-of-field landings though. The time slowing effects were more than interesting.


You don't tell me, we did try that and for local ladies the main response was that "why did you swear at me, there is no reason", some carried a grudge for weeks. We reverted to just scaring them, seemed to work better for most. It is somewhat interesting that many men seem to learn to respond in a more rational way just by receiving hits in practice.

Unfortunately words can be controlling if one lets them. Words clearly are not violence but if not inoculated against a A or B response of A) Fight/Flight or B) Freeze - if one lets B become the default it results in a continued cycle of control and submission.

After the intentional verbal abuse section we would have them go " ape " on us - trying to tap into a purely reptilian physical response.

Then after that , a hug it out to end the classes. Everything was controlled and for a reason in everyone's interest.

 

[Chris]

Unfortunately words can be controlling if one lets them. Words clearly are not violence but if not inoculated against a A or B response of A) Fight/Flight or B) Freeze - if one lets B become the default it results in a continued cycle of control and submission.

After the intentional verbal abuse section we would have them go " ape " on us - trying to tap into a purely reptilian physical response.

Then after that , a hug it out to end the classes. Everything was controlled and for a reason in everyone's interest.

Same reason military training is the way it is. Exposure therapy to stress, basically. Not only does the repetition of drills under stress ensure that you build the muscle memory to carry out the drill regardless of external stimulus, it also gets your body and mind used to operating effectively when it’s getting pumped full of adrenaline.

I’m sure that to an extent it also completely inoculates you to some stressors (bad words being a good example), which of course reduces the ‘stress overhead’ of being in situations with lots of potential stressors, but I think the really important thing is becoming familiar with what it’s like to be stressed, identify and acknowledge it, and then get on with it regardless. Which as you quite rightly say, requires practice.

 

[MartinK9]

Thats an interesting thought process and subdivision - and nicely is Three.....

1) People who are just less likely to panic.
Do you men the sort that are unphased , cool calm and collected? Or so distant from being aware they just arn't of much use anyway?



2) People who can be trained to follow a response
Can be done via stress inoculation and managing that adrenal dump from repeat drills and reinforcing positive response actions.




3) People who will always revert to instinct

Not sure what you mean by Instinct in context to this ? Isn't that just a repeat of 1????

All covered by a cup of tea and some chocolate hob nobs

 

[TLM]

Unfortunately words can be controlling if one lets them. Words clearly are not violence but if not inoculated against a A or B response of A) Fight/Flight or B) Freeze - if one lets B become the default it results in a continued cycle of control and submission.

After the intentional verbal abuse section we would have them go " ape " on us - trying to tap into a purely reptilian physical response.

We kind of had that idea but for some reason it did not work out, maybe some cultural reasons, I don't know. We ended up by just physically stressing them, up to six people continuously attacking from all directions (for safety only one at a time), it seemed to work for the freezing problem, which is very real. I'll admit that a verbal attack (that can take various forms, some quite subtle) can be different, maybe we should have got some some street goons to do it. Hmmm ... we did have one forty something lady who sometimes had the oddest reactions to even normal practice, one was always a bit on guard with her.

I agree the military's "trained response principle" is good but even that does not seem to work on all people, as always. Learning responses to life threatening things actually can help one in other areas if the principle is extended to other situations. Learning to control the adrenaline response must be included, otherwise it wipes you out after a while.

 

[HorseGuy]

Thats an interesting thought process and subdivision - and nicely is Three.....

1) People who are just less likely to panic.
Do you men the sort that are unphased , cool calm and collected? Or so distant from being aware they just arn't of much use anyway?



2) People who can be trained to follow a response
Can be done via stress inoculation and managing that adrenal dump from repeat drills and reinforcing positive response actions.




3) People who will always revert to instinct

Not sure what you mean by Instinct in context to this ? Isn't that just a repeat of 1????

There is a book written by someone who spent many years studying this subject in great detail (both the psychological thought patterns involved and the biological chemistry occurring in the brain and body). It is called Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why by Laurence Gonzales.

It is a good book. Informative, genuinely useful an potentially could even be life saving. I have a spare copy at home if you or anyone else would like to have it?

 

[TeeDee]

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There is a book written by someone who spent many years studying this subject in great detail (both the psychological thought patterns involved and the biological chemistry occurring in the brain and body). It is called Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why by Laurence Gonzales.

It is a good book. Informative, genuinely useful an potentially could even be life saving. I have a spare copy at home if you or anyone else would like to have it?

Its a good book. Few books I can think of that go into the actual psychology of it all.

Also a generous offer.

 

[HorseGuy]

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Its a good book. Few books I can think of that go into the actual psychology of it all.

Also a generous offer.

I thought it got a bit repetitive towards the end but that's not to discredit the information contained within which is good.

Anyway it's up for grabs for free if anyone wants it.