Climate Change I hope this is not to political but it is so important

[Midnitehound]

You forget, you are not the only educator around here and I look at our language from a much broader historical perspective which shows that only a small part of our diverse vocabulary is derived from Latin. The majority of our native tongue descends from Germanic influences overlaying earlier "Celtic" Indo-European roots, something that people with a so called "classical" education so often tend to ignore.

I work with over 350 schools on a three year repeating cycle and I am constantly amazed by the number of teachers I meet that have never been anything but students or teachers. Many of them even marry other teachers and think that their schools actually represent the real world in some way.

I forget? I didn't assume I was the only one, there are something like 600,000 teachers employed in the UK plus all the other educators. I'm quite aware of the extent of Germanic influence etc. but some others may not have been.

I've acknowledged the sheltered World that many educators and academics live in, luckily my experiences have been a little more diverse.

 

[Midnitehound]

Given the last ice age nearly killed us off I think any change of temperature should be viewed with concern and preventative measures taken where possible.

One of those silver space blankets is affordable and covers you from both directions.

 

[Midnitehound]

Our skin suit wearing reptilian overlords! All hail the grand lizard!

Have you been watching a marathon session of 'V'? Can we stick with what can be historically documented and not slip off into nutty Icke territory?

 

[Midnitehound]

Sir Fred was probably wrong about the Steady State Universe but as far as I can check/remember he never suggested an Electric Universe. See his novel The Black Cloud where he allows himself to roam about in his imagination and dismiss the Big Bang theory but no Electric Universe.

He was probably wrong was he? I hope you rang him up and corrected his mistake before he passed on. The Electric Universe Model is extended from Plasma Cosmology which is what Cosmology Quest 1&2 discusses. I think Sir Fred Hoyle presents his point of view and position clearly in the documentary and from his association with it. He was good friends with Dr. Halton Arp and:

In commenting on a lecture given by Fred Hoyle Halton Arp states in an article he wrote on his website, “During the years I visited with Fred from time to time to show him the newest observational results which were struggling to get published. He would instantly size up the results and say something like, Well chip, they will certainly have to admit now that their assumptions are wrong. After a while we both knew that it would not be accepted in the foreseeable future. He never dwelt on the lost effort, money or the dismal state of the science. He was always trying to think ahead to the next insight, the next synthesis of physics. It will always be a pleasure and inspiration however to look back and read his clear, courageous logic and also sad to think how far ahead we might be now if more people had joined in the discovery of new understandings instead of insisting on complexifying and patching up their commitment to old dogma. I can still hear him saying, They defend the old theories by complicating things to the point of incomprehensibility. We should have crossed over that bridge to a more correct physics that Fred pointed to so clearly more than three decades ago.”

 

[santaman2000]

Given the last ice age nearly killed us off I think any change of temperature should be viewed with concern and preventative measures taken where possible.

"....where possible." That's the key. We can't really control the developing countries so meaningful "preventative measures" are unlkely. Rather "preperation" seems more prudent.

 

[Countryman]

Is everyone having fun here?

 

[santaman2000]

Is everyone having fun here?

 

[Countryman]

Like that Santaman.

I think this is a fine campfire conversation but on here has at times risked getting a bit heated and personal.

Midnighthounds a big boy and can take some stick but some of the ad hominem stuff doesn't make nice reading.


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[santaman2000]

Like that Santaman.

I think this is a fine campfire conversation but on here has at times risked getting a bit heated and personal.

Midnighthounds a big boy and can take some stick but some of the ad hominem stuff doesn't make nice reading.


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Agreed.......

 

[mountainm]

Have you been watching a marathon session of 'V'? Can we stick with what can be historically documented and not slip off into nutty Icke territory?

Can we? .

 

[Rich D]

I refer you to http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Internet_law especially Pommer's law, but there are some other good internet laws in there


Pommer's Law (a somewhat cynical interpretation of how ubiquitous idiocy is on the internet) - ”A person's mind can be changed by reading information on the internet. The nature of this change will be: From having no opinion to having a wrong opinion."

Rich

 

[Humpback]

Nice link Rich.
Having now seen the various Laws in evidence on BCUK given a name I'm tempted to start "Internet Bingo" 4 Laws make a line and all 12 House.
I have a prize waiting..........

(Apologies to the OP)


Alan

 

[boatman]

I can respect someone who has what I think is a wrong idea, I respect them even more when they throw in evidence, even evidence ranging apparently off topic. It is even reasonable to become passionate and even stray towards the ad hominem. Do it myself of course. What does irritate me are those refusing to contribute to a discussion but choose to snipe at the participants or try to derail it by non sequiteurs.

 

[Andy BB]

Sir Fred Hoyle as a reference to a theory? (And I liked the apparent quote of his criticising others for sticking to outmoded ideas - his ongoing support for the steady-state universe in the face of overwhelming evidence of the Big Bang hypothesis is almost the classical definition of refusing to change with the times/evidence)

Funnily enough, I remember reading a book of his on the steady state/continuous creation universe when at school (in between learning Latin, of course ) A good read, if I remember correctly, but has been thoroughly discredited through further observations - cosmic background radiation, quasars etc. And I'd put my money on Steven Hawkings over Sir Fred any day of the week!

 

[Humpback]

Boatman
Here's a non sequitur pertinent to the OP:-

Greenhouse gasses contribute to global warming. Humans contribute to greenhouse gas production. Humans are solely to blame for global warming.

Discuss


Alan

 

[mountainm]

I can respect someone who has what I think is a wrong idea, I respect them even more when they throw in evidence, even evidence ranging apparently off topic. It is even reasonable to become passionate and even stray towards the ad hominem. Do it myself of course. What does irritate me are those refusing to contribute to a discussion but choose to snipe at the participants or try to derail it by non sequiteurs.

That'd be me then - to be honest I did try and keep the thread on topic but it went rapidly downhill when conspiracy theories and "Hidden agendas" reared there ugly heads. At that point you cannot have a rational discussion as there is no basis in fact to any of the thread. Those that don't subscribe to a doctrine are held as ignorant and the thread reaches it's inevitable ugly conclusion. It's pointless even debating with someone who claims the sky is green and the grass is orange and everyone that thinks different has not seen THIS video, or read THIS paper....

At that point it all went "wibble".

Engaging in circular arguments with conspiracy theorists who rally against the establishment simply because it is the "establishment" is a waste of time. What I do find offensive is that person branding anyone unwilling to read the pamphlets and watch the videos as unaccepting of the truth and therefore ignorant/dumb/blind/zombies/sheep.


It's just plain rude and boils down to this:

"I know the truth, I present it to you, you disagree with it, therefore you are dumb - open your eyes! You wont sit through my hour long video presenting the facts about why the grass is orange? You don't want to accept the truth".

And in this case it is accompanied with a diatribe loaded with language intended to accuse anyone who believes differently of being the aforementioned: ignorant/dumb/blind/zombies/sheep.

Enough.

 

[boatman]

Actually not Mountainm because although dismissive of the argument proposed you did engage unlike others.

 

[Midnitehound]

And in this case it is accompanied with a diatribe loaded with language intended to accuse anyone who believes differently of being the aforementioned: ignorant/dumb/blind/zombies/sheep.

Pity your weren't a mountainm in NZ, you missed out on your chance at 15 minutes of fame!

[video=youtube;0gEDUDmZkyc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gEDUDmZkyc[/video]

 

[petrochemicals]

http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_eu_climate_legacy_d/?fzKLubb&pv=42


Please take time to read and make up your own mind.

I personally think climate change is one of the lesser of the affects that man has inflicted on the planet. Sea acidity due to all polution (sulpher dioxide, carbon dioxide) is a major problem. Acid rain happened and there is no denying that (<). Modern commercialism is creating piles of rubbish. Chemicals being released into the environment, all along with rising disease and allergy levels. I think we'll poison the earth long before we all drown. And if we act soon enough the climate change will stop, and be left unseen in the face of other far more effectual factors like the suns mood and the earths orbit.

Wobble !

 

[Jonbodthethird]

Pity your weren't a mountainm in NZ, you missed out on your chance at 15 minutes of fame!

[video=youtube;0gEDUDmZkyc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gEDUDmZkyc[/video]

Hahaha!


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