An armed citizenry is protection against government excesses isn't a valid argument. States (as in sovereign countries not sub divisions) have more money and more guns or at least more powerful guns than your armed citizenry. Are you telling me that whenever an armed citizenry has come up against an armed government forces they've won it more than lost?
AFAIK any cases I've heard of (living in the UK not that many) the cases of armed citizenry confronted by government forces hasn't gone well for the citizenry. Usually the citizenry gets surrounded then surrender or a lot of deaths in the citizenry ranks.
I'm sorry but my POV (possibly coloured by British attitudes to gun control) is that armed citizenry has very little effect on limiting government. A thing called democracy has a greater effect. Governments are elected. That's your main power not your guns.
BTW are you a Texan by any chance? I'm not meaning offence but that loaded question. It's just that my old country did a lot of business with a Texan company. Employees were Texans or Mexican immigrants. Among the Texans I spoke to (senior management who were highly educated engineers who were worldly wise) had no concept of what gun control was. One example was a lead engineer who had a bad week when I spoke to him on the Friday. He was looking forward to kicking back, having some beers and shoot a few cans in his back yard. I'd been sympathising with him because the project we worked on was having issues so my week was bad. He asked me if I was doing similar. I made a possibly lame joke about paramilitary SWAT style police having something to say about that. He didn't understand even after ten minutes of explaining the principle of gun control.
I believe you know the idea behind gun control but you possibly don't understand it. Or at least you don't accept the idea at its heart. That is the big problem with your second amendment. It creates a right a lot of nations don't believe should be an automatic right. If you start from the POV that you can't own a gun without a good reason then gun control control is understood. If you can't get past the idea that owning guns is a right then gun control isn't understood. It's a deep mindset that would be very hard to change. It'll change one day of that I have no doubt.
Has an armed citizenry come up against an armed government and won?
-Well, that's exactly how the US came to exist.
-That's exactly what happened in the Battle of Athens (Tennessee) By the way, our individual States are semi-soveriegn (not just a political subdivision)
-That's exactly what happened in Nevada just a couple of years ago when Clyde Bundy and a group of ranchers and supporters took on the federal government
-That's exactly how their still kicking our butts in the Middle East
Am I a Texan? Not by birth. Born and raised in Mississippi, but I did live 3 years in Texas while stationed at Bergrstrom A.F.B. in the mid 1980s. I loved it there but Texas has too much gun control and not enough public hunting land. It's far, far too developed and urbanized.
Apparently your POV is that the 2nd Amendment created the right to keep and bear arms. Actually it didn't create any right whatsoever. Rights are by definition intrinsic in and of themselves. All the "Bill of Rights" did/does is to enumerate pre-existing natural rights and assert that government has no power to interfere.
Democracy is a better effect at limiting governments? An armed citizenry is exactly what guarantees said democracy will always survive.
You have no doubt that our views will change? LOL