What are good basic skills for our domesticated life?
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Ah, sorry, my bad. Still not completely accurate though. As inferred in my last post, they're too far left leaning for me. I'd prefer gun safety and marksmanship still be taught in school like Drivers' Ed (similar to the way the Wildlife Conservation Officers used to do when I was in school) and all adult citizens be REQUIRED to own at least one gun.
Never underestimate we Brits fascination with the US and guns...
(Now go compare with the situation in switzerland...)
(Now go compare with the situation in switzerland...)
Off Topic here, but it is not about banning /removing guns from the citizens.
It is all about removing guns from the hands of unsuitable individuals.
A system with gun permits work well in all European countries. It would work well in the US too.
Do not think your country is more ‘free’ than other 1:st world countries, and introducing a control of guns will put you under the control of your government.
It is not ‘removing you freedom’ to impose a permit system, as we have the freedom to join a gun club, get the needed training, and applying for gun permits. If you are a non criminal of a relatively sound mind you will get the guns you want. Easily.
I own now 5 handguns, am waiting for the police meeting where they will give me the permit for no.6.
Wife has 4.
Yes, we have a strict system. It works.
It is all about removing guns from the hands of unsuitable individuals.
A system with gun permits work well in all European countries. It would work well in the US too.
Do not think your country is more ‘free’ than other 1:st world countries, and introducing a control of guns will put you under the control of your government.
It is not ‘removing you freedom’ to impose a permit system, as we have the freedom to join a gun club, get the needed training, and applying for gun permits. If you are a non criminal of a relatively sound mind you will get the guns you want. Easily.
I own now 5 handguns, am waiting for the police meeting where they will give me the permit for no.6.
Wife has 4.
Yes, we have a strict system. It works.
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Santaman, sorry fella i'm starting to lump you in with the brainwashed group
Still not entirely accurate?.......have you asked charltan heston if he's proud of your post?
Also 'still'?....i'v not been wrong yet never mind continually
Still not entirely accurate?.......have you asked charltan heston if he's proud of your post?
Also 'still'?....i'v not been wrong yet never mind continually
The easiest way is to check the statistics and compare with culturally similar countries. Homicides
USA - 3.6
Nicaragua 3.73
Canada - 0.38
Australia 0.16
Austria 0.10
Belgium 0.33
Czech Rep 0.15
Denmark 0.22
Sweden 0.19
Finland 0.32
Germany 0.07
Israel 1.04 ( terror acts by Palestinians mainly)
Switzerland 0.21
UK 0.06 ( hanguns totally banned)
The most thought provoking difference is USA vs Canada.
USA - 3.6
Nicaragua 3.73
Canada - 0.38
Australia 0.16
Austria 0.10
Belgium 0.33
Czech Rep 0.15
Denmark 0.22
Sweden 0.19
Finland 0.32
Germany 0.07
Israel 1.04 ( terror acts by Palestinians mainly)
Switzerland 0.21
UK 0.06 ( hanguns totally banned)
The most thought provoking difference is USA vs Canada.
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UK has perhaps gone over the top with gun control but america needs something.
After a spree killing in Cumbria, UK a good few years back I listened to a spokesman from the BASC. That organization represents the shooting community in the UK and is against further gun controls. After the shootings (12 dead) the BASC spokesman argued for greater control of the system. For example a way for ppl to more easily report ppl not storing the guns correctly. His example was a local guy he used to visit when a local BASC representative who left his shotgun leant against the kitchen cupboard. He said he warned him of he came back and saw it again he'd work to get the licence revoked. It was unusual for a BASC spokesman to argue for this and more controls / evaluations on gun licence holders. I guess they got in first.
My understanding of American situation is there are gun controls present but they got relaxed. For example mental health grounds for removing right to bear arms. It got relaxed. In the UK there's less guns and fewer nutters slip through the net.
After a spree killing in Cumbria, UK a good few years back I listened to a spokesman from the BASC. That organization represents the shooting community in the UK and is against further gun controls. After the shootings (12 dead) the BASC spokesman argued for greater control of the system. For example a way for ppl to more easily report ppl not storing the guns correctly. His example was a local guy he used to visit when a local BASC representative who left his shotgun leant against the kitchen cupboard. He said he warned him of he came back and saw it again he'd work to get the licence revoked. It was unusual for a BASC spokesman to argue for this and more controls / evaluations on gun licence holders. I guess they got in first.
My understanding of American situation is there are gun controls present but they got relaxed. For example mental health grounds for removing right to bear arms. It got relaxed. In the UK there's less guns and fewer nutters slip through the net.
In Sweden the shooting community cooperate with the police by suggesting changes and so on.
Also the gun clubs are the ones issuing a letter of endorsement for a members application. They will notify the police if a member exhibits irregular behaviour.
Also the gun clubs are the ones issuing a letter of endorsement for a members application. They will notify the police if a member exhibits irregular behaviour.
No Japan in there. To buy ammunition they must present the spent cartridges to replenish their supply.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38365729
The laws there are very restrictive, too much so for me. But it works.
there is risk in all things, letting people have guns, making guns, having army's, medicine cars airplanes, etc.
Risk is a measured thing, and cost to benefit is the measure we go by. No medicine no ods or addiction to opioids, but no benefits either. Things only become a "problem" when the cost outweighs the benefit.
Remember the lawyer in London with the shot guns who took on the police, or the farmer who the police returned the guns to only for him to massacre his family. Controls on guns are not the problem in the uk, like the knife crime, 4 dead in London yesterday from it, it's a culture of apathy, isolation, idealism and disenfranciement . The risks in the UK are far reduced compared to the benefit, Imagine a world without knives or sharp implement, we would die by the hundred., and without guns we'd be speaking German or French.
Oh and Americas full of cowboy, does not matter if you are black white or purple, trigger happy land.
Risk is a measured thing, and cost to benefit is the measure we go by. No medicine no ods or addiction to opioids, but no benefits either. Things only become a "problem" when the cost outweighs the benefit.
Remember the lawyer in London with the shot guns who took on the police, or the farmer who the police returned the guns to only for him to massacre his family. Controls on guns are not the problem in the uk, like the knife crime, 4 dead in London yesterday from it, it's a culture of apathy, isolation, idealism and disenfranciement . The risks in the UK are far reduced compared to the benefit, Imagine a world without knives or sharp implement, we would die by the hundred., and without guns we'd be speaking German or French.
Oh and Americas full of cowboy, does not matter if you are black white or purple, trigger happy land.
Maybe the problems is that increasing number of people lack respect for other people?
Which is a basic skill?
That plus tolerance?
Which is a basic skill?
That plus tolerance?
I wrote countries similar to the US. Plus Nicaragua with a similar statistic to the US.
Japan - 0.00
Who decides who is an unsuitable individual? Under control of the government? You do realize the 2nd Amendment exist precisely to prevent government control. An armed citizenry is the guarantee against excessively controlling government.
Those figures tell much about our relative violence levels; but not a thing about cause and effect.
After your shooting you passed laws to solve a non-existant problem. You had almost no violence beforehand. (a single incident is tragic but not a trend)
Regarding proper storage of my firearms, I'm wearing one (sometimes with an additional back-up) another is loaded under the truck seat, and yet others are hanging on the walls of my living room and my bedroom. They threatened to revoke his license to own firearms? We'd never tolerate having to get such a license. That would defeat the very purpose (needing government permission to keep the means that keep that government subordinate to the armed citizenry)
Regarding your last paragraph, no, the requirements banning the mentally unqualified from buying guns has not been relaxed. What changed was the burden of proof of that disqualification has rightfully been placed back on the government. Until recently they would deny a person's background check nased on financial irresponsibility. What we ARE fighting hard to "relax" is the patchwork system of concealed carry permits. As it stands, my Florida license is valid in only 35 states (those with reciprocity with Florida) We're fighting very hard to have our CCWs treated like all other State issued licenses and actions (a Florida wedding is recognized by law in all 50 States and all 4 Territories --- likewise a Florida Drivers' license ---- or a Florida car insurance policy ---- etc.)
Yep 3rd world drug and gang ravaged cartelle country with despotic rulers of corruption, where you can get killed for the simplest reason.
Those would be the exact same drug cartels we have. Profit is a great motivator for violence and the US is a consumerist country.
Banning (or heavy regulation of) guns would give them yet another illicit market. As I've said before: it took a genius to develop the M1 or the AK47 but it only takes a mediocre machinist to actually make them. A few hundred dollars worth of raw material, a quiet deserted warehouse or empty barn to set up a shop with a few thousand dollars worth of machines, a couple of week's time and VOILA! nearly a quarter million dollars worth of finished automatic weapons ready for the street. And that would just be one of hundreds of such shops said cartels would be operating at any given time.
The regulations work there because they aren't needed. They're already a law abiding people. Law abiding people don't commit murders. Murderers don't obey gun laws.
You, just like every other law abiding citizen in every country on Earth, are ruled by your government.
They tell, we jump.
Do not believe the talk about your incredible, unique freedom...
They tell, we jump.
Do not believe the talk about your incredible, unique freedom...
You are saying you are not law abiding?
But you are very true, criminals do not obey laws.
In countries with gun permits murders are not comitted with legal guns, but with illegal guns.
In the US, murders are done using legal guns.
Why do you feel you need to have a loaded gun under your car seat? I love shooting, guns, but have never felt the need to store one where it can easily be stolen?
I had a fairly unusual gun permit in Sweden, I was allowed to carry any of my hanguns loaded and concealed.
Did I feel safer? Yes. But, I also felt I was unsafe for other people around me.
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