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Mikey P

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Top thread! Give me a week or so for all my kit to get back and I'll do something on the Maxpedition Jumbo Versipack - has some very good features you may wish to incorporate into your own packs. Got to pour the dust and sand out of it first, though.
 

Mikey P

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Top thread! Give me a week or so for all my kit to get back and I'll do something on the Maxpedition Jumbo Versipack - has some very good features you may wish to incorporate into your own packs. Got to pour the dust and sand out of it first, though.

I'm nearly there! Will finish the photos this week. I've done it just as a review of the Jumbo - I haven't included what I normally put in there as I wanted to post that on this thread later.

I know some have written off Maxpedition as too expensive but I hope this review will persuade some of you otherwise.

If Tony doesn't accept the full article for the review section, I'll post it as a thread.
 

tombear

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Heres my EDC kit

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left pocket
Issue FFD, foil bivy bag, 1st pattern (non locking knife blade) Leatherman on billy cord

right pocket
stretch bandage (in bottom) lock-n'-lock dry box with pills, 2 wet-fire tablets, first aid kit, pair of spare lithium AA bateries, packet of green Rizlas. Packet bio degradable loo paper. Small cuts kit.

central compartment
cheque book, Sierra Designs ultra light rain jacket (packs up tiny) if ventile not being worn

I put trip specific items in this compartment, often just snacks and a Platy water bag.

Front pocket
minimaglite 2 x AA with LED conversion (not button)and Lithium batteries, reversed
Kodak film tin full of Vaseline and cotton wool junk and since I got very bored once lots of magnesium chips
Slim titanium spork (chips for the eating of)
Press button Fisher Space Pen
magnifying glass
slimline novelty gas lighter
8hr Cylume light stick
Gorgeous 1954 WD 24" boxwood ruler (usually in a old maglite pouch) got for a quid at Anchor Supplies
tinder card
MoD annodised aluminium Silva Huntsman compass
MoD heliograph mirror (for contact lenses and when I get that strange urge to inspect the parts other bears cannot reach...)
K&M long matchsafe with safety and storm matches on idiot cord

Slot right front
brass cased Eze-lap diamond shapener

ATB

Tom
 

Mikey P

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After my monster review on the Maxpedition bag I got a while back was published on the site (I’m not sure what it says about someone who can enthuse about a shoulder bag for 4 pages…), I thought I’d better mention what I carry in it! Especially as I said I would earlier in this thread.

First of all, a few assumptions: I only really use it at the moment for days out (although I have done a summer overnighter with it) so that will dictate largely what goes in it. Also, you’re not allowed to light fires in the woods where I live in Germany (pah!) so a small stove is necessary for brews/cooking. Finally, depending on how I’m feeling, I can either cover a lot of ground or stay in one place and just concentrate on practicing specific skills.

So, what have we got for a typical day out?

Bag

Maxpedition Jumbo Versipack with 1 litre Nalgene bottle (not shown) of water in side pouch.

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I also carry my Midland Alan 42 CB radio (in a Maxpedition pouch) for two reasons: I can call back to the missus in case of emergency, clean pants requirement, whatever; and, I can sit back and listen to the local chatter and improve my German. Earlier in May, I could also talk to operators in the UK as the skip was fantastic in early evening.

OK, from the picture below from top left to right:

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Depending on what I’m practicing, I might carry a fixed blade (Gerber Huntsman – great blade, awful sheath) or just a nice little spear-point Opinel penknife. For the UK, I would probably change the Opinel for a SAK Soldier – I’ve just swapped some stuff for one recently and they’re very nice and legal. Occasionally, I’ll also add a handsaw.

Next a small bag with some wet wipes, toilet paper and alcohol hand wash – just in case I get caught short and also to clean up with before I eat. By the way, did you know that alcohol handwash will burn?

Then insect repellent (deet) and sun cream…although I might not bother with that anymore considering it’s rained solid for weeks.

A choice of lights (I wouldn’t normally take both): a Petzl E+Lite if I expect to be out late (white/red, flashing and steady) as this really is a fantastic bit of kit; or the even smaller Inova LED light (red, steady/flashing).

A whistle in case I see a pretty lady…or get hurt and need to attract attention.

The white box contains a small, basic first aid kit (plasters, burn aid, safety pins, tweezers, antiseptic cream, etc). Next to it is a tick remover (it lassoos ticks so you can twist them out by the neck – ye-haa!) and below is an old-style field dressing – essential when carrying a fixed blade. They also burn very well and contain massive safety pins.

Next to that is a monocular for checking stuff out at distance and bird/animal identification.

From the left side again, across the bottom:

‘Food for Free’ for obvious reasons, and then Collins Trees as I’m doing lots of tree ID practice at the moment. I will sometimes use a wild flower/shrub guide instead of the tree guide.

A plastic bin bag. Why? It’s light, waterproof, can be used to carry dry or wet items, it can be worn as a poncho, it makes a small waterproof shelter as a tarp, and you can sit on it when the ground’s wet. It cost’s nothing and you just recycle it when it rips. Do I need to say more?

The wooden spoon was a swapsy from Dougster – thanks mate, I love it!

Next, just because I can’t make an open fire doesn’t mean I can’t practice firecraft. I’ve been messing with the flint and steel lately, but also have a Zippo and a mini-firesteel with part of a junior hacksaw blade to strike it. The hacksaw blade is the metal/plastic cutting variety and is long enough to actually still cut with.

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The firesteel was made from a mini-steel from the recent group buy, which is then soldered into an electrical terminal block with a key ring on it. Crude but effective. All the fire stuff goes in a leather pouch with tinder of birch bark, char cloth, and thin strips of rubber from a bike inner tube (burn well when wet – how appropriate).

Next, some paracord – useful for loads of stuff.

A small digital camera. You know we go on about 'leaving only footprints', etc? Well, if I come across something I can’t identify, like a fungus, rather than pick it and take it home, I take pictures of it instead and make notes on the location, smell, etc. I’ll then look it up when I get home and have a nice photographic record for the future.

Finally, notebook and pen and a small, v simple compass. It’s always good practice to walk on bearings, triangulate objects on the map, etc. There is also a small, flat, credit-card sized magnifying lens tucked away in the notebook for looking at small features on plants and fungi (gills, usually) - and it will also make a flame in strong sunlight.

As I mentioned, no fires in the woods! So, rather than mess about with hexis or meths (p-choh!), I have a mini gas stove that I also use for alpine climbing trips. Inside a titanium pot sits the gas canister, a small strip of cloth for cleaning, drying, picking up hot things, etc. Then a small brew/condiments kit (sugar, coffee, tea, salt, pepper) and a luxury Swiss Miss hot chocolate sachet. Tastes great, loads of sugar, and makes you happy when you are cold. The stove itself is tiny, has peizo ignition, and is kept in a small plastic box. The whole lot, with a lighter and titanium spork, is kept in a mesh bag.

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Everything above fits in the Versipack with room to spare.

I like to think of my kit as modular and I expand/contract it as required. There is no such thing as a single, do-all kit. It doesn't exist so don't bother looking for one You have to tailor it to your activity and environment.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread - it's one of the most enjoyable and useful I've read for ages.
 

SimonM

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I carry an old camera bag in the boot of the car. Contents as below:-

Crusader mug / cooker / mug holder / 58 patt water bottle
Laken mess tin with tissues / spork / wooden spoon /coffee sachets / Crusader lid
24hr rat pack c/w biscuits brown ( I know its sick but my kids love em!)
Leatherman supertool
Mora clipper
Hexy blocks & Green heat gel sachets
Swedish firesteel & striker
2 x 4m lengths of para cord
Cuticura hand hygeine gel
Insect repellant wipes - "Jungle formula"

I also have a Response Pak which I use as a grab bag for when I am camping - but that is another story!
 

spamel

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I've added a few items lately, and taken a few out. i swapped the ointing trowel with a folding shovel that Ratbag got me. That was a while back. I'm not saying the trowel wasn't working, but the shovel was a gift from a friend so I like to carry that and use it. I also found a steel folding rule, 300 mm when folded and 600 mm whe opened up. I haven't actually put it in yet so I will see if it fits. Found by a building site that had closed down for the weekend, not on it but on the path next to it. As far as I am concerned, it was in the public domain!

I've got a paint stick in there now aswell, very handy for marking your way in unknown places so that you can back track. Saves blazing trees which is a permanent disfiguration IMO. I keep my UCO candle lantern in there aswell, as I can never find it otherwise. A few candles go in aswell. My rediscovered crook knife is going in along with my Spoon knife which has been in there since the start, so I have a good carving duo there. No carving jack yet, but I think the missus is getting me one for christmas!! Hee hee, she doesn't know that I know! :D
 

Robbo

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Aug 22, 2005
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Found this thread and it got me to dig out my old North face lumbar pack, I feel a few mods may be in order,

At present it looks like this

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(extra marks if you know what the smock is, apologies for crappy photo, the pack is forest green/black)

If my memory serves me correct the pack is 12 litres. is this too large/small for a grab bag/response pack?

Mod wise I'm considering adding removable shoulder strap(s) and a couple more attachment points, possibly a couple more pockets on the waist belt.

Andy
 
That look's like the Swedish Snow / Arctic Smock, although IIRC from a previous thread I thought you mentioned wooden buttons?

Funny you mention this thread leading to you finding your old belt pack, I did the same with my old Highlander pack. However, I found it a bit on the small side so am currently editing what to have in my grab bag / deciding whether to use something a bit bigger like a PLCE side pocket / 2 on a yoke.
 

spamel

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Oooh, blast from the past! i reckon that will do great as a grab bag. It would be able to contain more kit than mine which is more of an organiser, but it has plenty of space for a water bottle at one end and maybe a hobo and billy or a gas cooker on the other end. It could be a good day hiking pack to throw in snack kit and a few small projects to do on the trail.

Like the swedish snow smock too! :D
 

Robbo

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Aug 22, 2005
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Darkest Scotland,
Top Marks, Spamel and Bushscout1. but it was Inwood who made the wooden buttons for his tie dye camo smock.

I had the same thought about a hobo and billy stove, Spamel but the water bottle pockets are too small for the tesco strainer hobo stove I'm working on so I may have to look for/make something smaller.

Andy
 

Jared

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Sep 8, 2005
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Went for a quick wander, as you can see I left the spoons and fire tube behind as I wasn't prepping food or making fire. The scene shows the response pak hanging off of the fence in front of some of the land which I have shooting permission on.

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In the next shot, find the rabbit!

Heh, seems SnugPak using that photograph on their official site.

http://www.snugpak.com/

Bottom right, hope they atleast asked first.
 

Jared

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Oh, no one asked then.

I'd contact these bunch too then http://www.primecreative.com/ , if you initially contact them via email, send to both Snupak & PrimeCreative (so both can see you sent to the other.)

I'd suspect PrimeCreative are the thieves, passing your photography off as "free". So sending to both hopefully creates some embarassment.
 
Yes, seriously Spam.

That's right out of order if they didn't have your permission.

Serious breach of your copyright. Compensation in order at the very least. :nono:

Spamel, Gary is right, but to give you a little extra context ...

Your options are:
1. A cease and desist - i.e. get them to take the pic down.
2. Leave it up with credit.
3. Leave it up with fair compensation.

The third of these is the one I want to address - compensation can mean different things in different circumstances. In a breach of copyright case it would normally refer to actually being paid what you should have been paid in the first place. There are no punitive damages in a breach of copyright case (normally). This leads on to the question of how much you should have been paid in the first place ... the answer consists of two things:
1. How much value you place on the image
2. What the market will bear.
In reality for an image like that used on a website for the purposes of advertising you are looking at anything from a tenner up to maybe £50. I'm basing this on what I know of the different types of stock picture agencies where they could have got a similar image from.

I come across cases like this all the time and the best thing to do is keep a level head, don't take it personally, decide what outcome you would like and always keep in mind that you are in control as they do not have a leg to stand on. Try to work out something that benefits both of you ... some free snugpack kit for example. You get for free something that costs them a lot less than it would cost you to pay the RRP.
 

Tadpole

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I’m not expert, however £50 seems a bit cheap, taking in to account the rarity value of the shot (well shot, interesting composition, and quite clearly using their kit) I ‘d go for £60 cash per year, per use of that image on that website. Alternatively, goods/services to twice that value.
 
I’m not expert, however £50 seems a bit cheap, taking in to account the rarity value of the shot (well shot, interesting composition, and quite clearly using their kit) I ‘d go for £60 cash per year, per use of that image on that website. Alternatively, goods/services to twice that value.

Tadpole, its an extremely difficult one to call ... for example an image printed in a magazine at at quarter page with a distribution of 100,000 would average about £125 through a good agency. However, for the same image bought through a microstock site the photographer might get a couple of quid. For a small size on a specialist website?

I know of someone who thought his copyright had been breached when he found one of his images (complete with credit) on a website and associated promotional material with a distribution of millions (we are talking major worldwide consumer brand here). He thought he was in line for a paycheck of maybe $5000 ... until he found out that they had purchased the image though a micro stock site that he had submitted the image to. He got paid a couple of bucks instead.

The bottom line is - exert your rights, but don't get carried away with it all. Question: if they had done it properly and asked for a licence to use the image what would Spamel have accepted as fair compensation at that point? Suplementary question: would Snugpak have been willing to pay Spamel's price? It's all down to how Spamel wants to play it. It is his image and his copyright. Getting all litigious over it isn't going to help anyone though ... find a solution that works for both parties, if a solution can't be found, then Spamel has the ultimate sanction, get the image of the website now!

Spamel, keep us posted, I'm always interested in hearing how these things turn out.

Oh and for your reference:
http://www.epuk.org/ABCD-of-Copyright/
 
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I feel I need to step in here as this seems to be getting out of hand.

spamel has contacted us at Snugpak and we in talks via email, we will make a post concerning the outcome of this as soon as possible.

Stewart
Snugpak
 

Tadpole

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I feel I need to step in here as this seems to be getting out of hand.

spamel has contacted us at Snugpak and we in talks via email, we will make a post concerning the outcome of this as soon as possible.

Stewart
Snugpak

I’m not sure what you mean “getting out of hand “we, as members of this forum, are expressing our point of view, on a board where such things are allowed. We are not in anyway shape or form dissing snugpac, or defaming its staff.
As far as I am aware we (I) am not breaking any rules, just offering our opinions.

You however should read the rules regarding linking to commercial forums, which says:
“Members should not post links to their own commercial ventures, websites or forums.
Links to such websites in signatures are permissible (at the discretion of BCUK admin) as long as this is not abused and a clearly visible reciprocal link to Bushcraft UK is placed on the website to which the link points “
 

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