Fear of the dark

HillBill

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So in which case, the opposite of a curve is another curve in its mirror image. So the opposite of gravity would be an opposing gravitational pull from an identical object..... fascinating :You_Rock_

As for anti-grav of WW2, that is not really anti grav, just a name they applied to the manipulation of magnetism and actually nothing really to do with gravity at all.

True, and would not work outside of a planets magnetic field, leading to the conclusion that any anti grav type craft is infact terrestrial and not extra terrestrial.;)
 

HillBill

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So in which case, the opposite of a curve is another curve in its mirror image. So the opposite of gravity would be an opposing gravitational pull from an identical object..... fascinating :You_Rock_

As for anti-grav of WW2, that is not really anti grav, just a name they applied to the manipulation of magnetism and actually nothing really to do with gravity at all.

Tis why the ying yang is part of it draw a line straight down its centre and you will get those 2 mirrored curves.. equal and opposites ;) If you look at the spral shape of the galaxy, it is 2 mirrored halves making a whole, not just one.
 
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JonathanD

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Yet a black hole is formed by the collision of 2 equal and opposing forces. And the fusion of those two forces creates the black hole.

That is still theoretical though isn't it? No-one actually knows why or what creates them, or actually if they do even exist. It is all still theoritical science based on what we have discovered and understand so far.

It is theorised that a black hole forms when any object reaches a certain critical density, and its gravity causes it to collapse to an almost infinitely small pinpoint. Stellar-mass black holes form when a massive star can no longer produce energy in its core. With the radiation from its nuclear reactions to keep the star "puffed up," gravity causes the core to collapse. The star's outer layers may blast away into space, or they may fall into the black hole to make it heavier.

This certainly makes sense to me and is more plausable than the collision theory.
 

JonathanD

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Tis why the ying yang is part of it. equal and opposites ;) If you look at the spral shape of the galaxy, it is 2 mirrored halves making a whole, not just one.

But the opposite of gravity, would be gravity? Which is not an opposite force in terms of ying and yang, but an opposite force like ying and ying :D :confused: :eek: :cool:
 

HillBill

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But the opposite of gravity, would be gravity? Which is not an opposite force in terms of ying and yang, but an opposite force like ying and ying :D :confused: :eek: :cool:

But you see, that depends on which side you percieve it from, It is gravity on both sides yet each direction of gravity exists on each side.Like i said, draw a line down a ying yang from top to bottom, there is ying and yang in both halves in the mirrored curve.
 

JonathanD

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True, and would not work outside of a planets magnetic field, leading to the conclusion that any anti grav type craft is infact terrestrial and not extra terrestrial.;)


You should refer to that as magnetic-manipulation rather than anti-grav. And that would make sense, yes. Anti-grav would be in the same realm as warp drive and time travel. Except time travel and spacetime manipulation through warp drive have a basis in theoritical fact, whereas anti-grav so far has not.
 

JonathanD

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But you see, that depends on which side you percieve it from, It is gravity on both sides yet each direction of gravity exists on each side.Like i said, draw a line down a ying yang from top to bottom, there is ying and yang in both halves in the mirrored curve.

And thinking along those lines. The opposite of a black hole would be another black hole of identical mass. So you would have two black holes locked in an eternal gravitational orbit around themselves. Yes?
 

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Long time since I was spooked but I get frights every now and then. Had a sika deer come right down to camp and scream out about ten foot from where I was sleeping once, that woke me up in a hurry even if I did know what it was:D.

Walking along the Eden by a smidgen of moonlight another time I woke up a swan and couldn't tell you which of us got the biggest surprise. It was the loudest(maybe:)) but I near jumped out my skin.
 

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Sorry, just a quick question regarding Zarkwan's post #148.
'Belief in free will' and 'debunking that one'.

Please expand just a little more, but don't get too heavy, I haven't read philosophy for about fourteen years!

Regards.

JDCP.
 

HillBill

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And thinking along those lines. The opposite of a black hole would be another black hole of identical mass. So you would have two black holes locked in an eternal gravitational orbit around themselves. Yes?

2 equal and opposing forces.:) But combined.

Well the galaxy has a cycle (one revoloution) so it does turn, so that would make sense though it would be more a case of spin, both locked in the same relative position to each other.

Hold your hands as though you are praying then push your finger through each other so the interlock. That is the kind of thing i am thinking of. The fingers each side represent the force from one which passes through the other. The both push against each other as hard as they can while being interlocked so they cant come apart.

Though to be more accurate one arm needs to be upside down, which is difficult to do given the bodys restrictions. But you get the idea :)

EDIT. Actually thinking about it, i do not think the duality spins at all as that would mean the gravity coming from the centre would move with the galaxy and there would not be 5 change points per cycle (presuming there is of course). I think the forces of the duality cause the galaxy to spin, like water draining down a plug, the water spins round the plug, yet the plug does not move. The outward energy points are set in location and the galaxy/planets move through them. Maybe even pushed round by them as opposed to the inward pulling forces pulling it around.
 
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Albert and Niels (two ghosts) were hanging out in the woods late one night, waiting to scare some campers. The campers had yet to settle down into their immobility bags for the evening, so Albert challenges Niels to a "clever words" contest.

"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions", says Albert.

"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth", Niels replies.

Albert continues, "Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts".

Niels rolls his eyes, "There are some things so serious you have to laugh at them".

"Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted", says Albert.

"Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future", counters Niels.

"Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves."

"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real."

Albert gets a little scrunch-faced at that beacuse he knows were Niels is going and says, "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. "

"Every sentence I utter must be understood not as an affirmation, but as a question", says Niels, "Every great and deep difficulty bears in itself its own solution. It forces us to change our thinking in order to find it."

"God always takes the simplest way, He may be subtle, but He isn't plain mean and he does not play dice."

"If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet." Now Niels is getting a little annoyed too. "No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical."

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices aquired by age eighteen", Albert says. "Look, we've scared the campers senseless and we didn't even say 'Boo!', what do you think about that?"

"Pantywaste", the ghost of Granny Gatewood chimes in, "Y'all a bunch of pantywaste."
 

HillBill

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I like that, very relevant to the whole thread :)

Albert and Niels (two ghosts) were hanging out in the woods late one night, waiting to scare some campers. The campers had yet to settle down into their immobility bags for the evening, so Albert challenges Niels to a "clever words" contest.

"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions", says Albert.

"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth", Niels replies.

Albert continues, "Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts".

Niels rolls his eyes, "There are some things so serious you have to laugh at them".

"Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted", says Albert.

"Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future", counters Niels.

"Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves."

"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real."

Albert gets a little scrunch-faced at that beacuse he knows were Niels is going and says, "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. "

"Every sentence I utter must be understood not as an affirmation, but as a question", says Niels, "Every great and deep difficulty bears in itself its own solution. It forces us to change our thinking in order to find it."

"God always takes the simplest way, He may be subtle, but He isn't plain mean and he does not play dice."

"If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet." Now Niels is getting a little annoyed too. "No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical."

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices aquired by age eighteen", Albert says. "Look, we've scared the campers senseless and we didn't even say 'Boo!', what do you think about that?"

"Pantywaste", the ghost of Granny Gatewood chimes in, "Y'all a bunch of pantywaste."
 

JonathanD

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Albert and Niels (two ghosts) were hanging out in the woods late one night, waiting to scare some campers. The campers had yet to settle down into their immobility bags for the evening, so Albert challenges Niels to a "clever words" contest.

"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions", says Albert.

"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth", Niels replies.

Albert continues, "Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts".

Niels rolls his eyes, "There are some things so serious you have to laugh at them".

"Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted", says Albert.

"Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future", counters Niels.

"Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves."

"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real."

Albert gets a little scrunch-faced at that beacuse he knows were Niels is going and says, "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. "

"Every sentence I utter must be understood not as an affirmation, but as a question", says Niels, "Every great and deep difficulty bears in itself its own solution. It forces us to change our thinking in order to find it."

"God always takes the simplest way, He may be subtle, but He isn't plain mean and he does not play dice."

"If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet." Now Niels is getting a little annoyed too. "No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical."

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices aquired by age eighteen", Albert says. "Look, we've scared the campers senseless and we didn't even say 'Boo!', what do you think about that?"

"Pantywaste", the ghost of Granny Gatewood chimes in, "Y'all a bunch of pantywaste."

Yeah, that about settles it....... excellent :D
 

zarkwon

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Albert and Niels (two ghosts) were hanging out in the woods late one night, waiting to scare some campers. The campers had yet to settle down into their immobility bags for the evening, so Albert challenges Niels to a "clever words" contest.

"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions", says Albert.

"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth", Niels replies.

Albert continues, "Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts".

Niels rolls his eyes, "There are some things so serious you have to laugh at them".

"Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted", says Albert.

"Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future", counters Niels.

"Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves."

"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real."

Albert gets a little scrunch-faced at that beacuse he knows were Niels is going and says, "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. "

"Every sentence I utter must be understood not as an affirmation, but as a question", says Niels, "Every great and deep difficulty bears in itself its own solution. It forces us to change our thinking in order to find it."

"God always takes the simplest way, He may be subtle, but He isn't plain mean and he does not play dice."

"If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet." Now Niels is getting a little annoyed too. "No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical."

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices aquired by age eighteen", Albert says. "Look, we've scared the campers senseless and we didn't even say 'Boo!', what do you think about that?"

"Pantywaste", the ghost of Granny Gatewood chimes in, "Y'all a bunch of pantywaste."

Where was Max?
 

zarkwon

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Zarkwon?

Check #189 please.

Cheers.

Hi mate, glad to but just got in from work and back in the morning so won't go mad. There is no such thing as free will. Did you cover hard determinism 14 years ago? The idea that we are agents of our own destiny is wrong as we are the products of our environment and genetic makeup. Any choice we make, though it feels like free choice, is one we had no choice but to make (not predestined as such, that is different) because of who we are and what we have experienced. I could say, right, I'm now going to drop this pencil to prove I have free will. My dropping the pencil is actually because I am the sort of person who enjoys talking about things like free will which is because of who my parents were and my life experience. My parents were who they were because of the same all the way back to the big bang. We are just a link in a chain of causes all the way back through the life of Earth and the clumping together of the galaxy etc to the big bang. One huge knock on effect. The variables are such that we could never predict them but our choices are not free. You get the idea.

Look it up on wiki for a better explanation if not as I'm not at my peak of explanatory powers just now. Here's a recent article on it but the concept is not new. http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=scientists-say-free-will-probably-d-2010-04-06
 

Bravo4

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.... That is the great unfathomable question, the same for every one of us. Science has no answer to it.
It is not the possession of truth, but the success which attends the seeking after it, that enriches the seeker and brings happiness to him.
Anybody who has been seriously engaged is scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith.'
Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve. "

that Max?
or was it the Max that said, "Two days ago, I saw a vehicle that can haul that tanker. You want to get out of here? You talk to me."

I like that, very relevant to the whole thread :)

Thanks Hillbill. They won't let me use the LHC yet, so I have my own sub-atomic particle detector and just have to be patient. I use mine to observe ghosts, of a sort. A topic for the Tracking section of the forum perhaps.

I would much rather write about tracking but this notion that science is void of spirit and vice versa, is a load of shipt. Both sides. I know for certain that alot of people are missing out on some very interesting things is this world. I know I'm missing out too, simply because of my prejudgements, true or otherwise. "Science" and "Spirituality", dirty words to people that know little of either (I'm certainly not addressing you in particular HillBill, just a minor rant in general:)). Like giving "bushcraft" a definition; it's limiting and pointless or rather, beside the point.

Nature is my *topic not to be discussed on bcuk, for a good reason* and science is a means in which I learn more about my *topic not to be discussed on bcuk* I try not to take it too seriously lest it cease to be fun. Bushcraft is another means for me to discover aspects of my *...*, and a very hands-on approach it is. Same for my "work" in science.

Another smart guy I know (I only know of Albert and Niels to be honest;))wrote me this the other day,
Science and Religion are brothers that had a falling out and still avoid eye contact at family reunions!

BTW, anyone that can figure out exactly how Gravity fits into that Taoist symbol shown earlier, send me a PM and we'll split the Prize money. If that mystery is ever solved, my money (not much of it exists, ha!) says ten new, bigger riddles emerge.

"Science is a wonderful thing if one does not have to earn one's living at it."
"Science without *topic not to be discussed on bkuk* is lame. *...* without science is blind."
A.E.
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"I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it."
E. Schrodinger

Other topics seem to keep bleeding into this thread (pun intended). I am guilty of this for sure and so, I'm out. Some of the posts on this thread I find incredibly lame and impersonal and I am sorry to have contributed to that in any way. I will say that any person who has spent a few nights alone in the wilds and can Not recall a moment of fear; blue, black, imagined or otherwise, that person is either lacking in memory or a big fat liar. I suppose that person could also be an ignorant fool. "No Fear" is for imbiciles. Know Fear to understand personal bravery and just how it is that the mind can *four-letter word, self-moderation* you.

The only thing we have to fear,

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...is.....

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HillBill

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.... Thanks Hillbill. They won't let me use the LHC yet, so I have my own sub-atomic particle detector and just have to be patient. I use mine to observe ghosts, of a sort. A topic for the Tracking section of the forum perhaps.

Now, not sure how to respond here, somethings just clicked i was thinking about last night, i couldn't sleep because of it, i couldn't get it out of my head.

I think you have answered the whole question in the above sentence.

Sub atomic particles
Atoms.


Tell me, what happens when you collide 2 sub atomic particles as equal and opposing forces? Those LHC folk are gonna be in for a surprise i reckon. What are the chances that all they will create is an atom? Which is a central mass with density greater than all the other parts, neutrons and electrons, equals and opposites circling the very dense central mass.

What do atoms and galaxys have in common?...Everything.

What do both have in common with the ying yang?...Everything.
 
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