Toddy said:
We can, but you should know that some of the info on that page is outdated.
About natural gas:
http://www.energybulletin.net/1604.html
Other than that my points are pretty much supported by the document you have given.
Torjus Gaaren
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We can, but you should know that some of the info on that page is outdated.
About natural gas:
http://www.energybulletin.net/1604.html
Other than that my points are pretty much supported by the document you have given.
Torjus Gaaren
Torjus, the page you are quoting is two years out of date, the one I quoted is this year.
It's an up and down thing. It seems to somehow feel unfair to so many other countries that despite all their warnings of doom and gloom the UK continues to function Well, actually, it's rather a nice place to live
Cheers,
Toddy
It's an up and down thing. It seems to somehow feel unfair to so many other countries that despite all their warnings of doom and gloom the UK continues to function
Well, actually, it's rather a nice place to live Cheers,
Toddy
I would love to reply concisely re 'What is the point of Bushcraft' But will almost certainly fail! So will write part of an experience down to this thread and see how it looks.
I went to India on a whim quite a number of years ago with the clothes I stood in two '58 pattern pouches and a pouched leather belt. I budgeted for £5 per day and lived on £3 so had some for later. I lived like street Indians as it was quite hard to get out into the countryside. I was looked after by the some of the poorest people I have ever had the privilege to meet. I played games with their children. I was robbed by a very clever con man who nearly took my watch. I feel that even though I was in a very crowded country I survived on what was around me. I had money fair enough but that is the way of the world also I was not being a frontiersman as that you can't do out there.
I learned things about survival I certainly would not have learned here in the UK. Such as Getting water, gathering food, adapting to my environment.
When I returned I experienced reverse culture shock! Supermarkets with the shelves so full of food that it falls off. Cross people, because even though the shop is full the thing they want isn't there!
I still remember queing for two days to get a train ticket when the line is a little slow here!
Bushcraft is probably a little part this and certainly has a point!
This looks ok to show you people.
Swyn.
I went to India on a whim quite a number of years ago with the clothes I stood in two '58 pattern pouches and a pouched leather belt. I budgeted for £5 per day and lived on £3 so had some for later. I lived like street Indians as it was quite hard to get out into the countryside. I was looked after by the some of the poorest people I have ever had the privilege to meet. I played games with their children. I was robbed by a very clever con man who nearly took my watch. I feel that even though I was in a very crowded country I survived on what was around me. I had money fair enough but that is the way of the world also I was not being a frontiersman as that you can't do out there.
I learned things about survival I certainly would not have learned here in the UK. Such as Getting water, gathering food, adapting to my environment.
When I returned I experienced reverse culture shock! Supermarkets with the shelves so full of food that it falls off. Cross people, because even though the shop is full the thing they want isn't there!
I still remember queing for two days to get a train ticket when the line is a little slow here!
Bushcraft is probably a little part this and certainly has a point!
This looks ok to show you people.
Swyn.
What is the point in breathing, you are just using up a needed resource?? is another question.
In the end we all do things that make us feel good, be it play sports, shoot rifles or practice bushcraft and we do it because we want to.
We all have our own reasons, but in the end the answer is "Because I enjoy it".
That is about as straight an answer that cannot be argued with that anyone can give.
In the end we all do things that make us feel good, be it play sports, shoot rifles or practice bushcraft and we do it because we want to.
We all have our own reasons, but in the end the answer is "Because I enjoy it".
That is about as straight an answer that cannot be argued with that anyone can give.
My reason is, i live in the country so why not?
I like being outdoors, i enjoy camping out. My meagre knowledge allows me a larger degree of comfort in the outdoor environment. I do not sit indoors in bad weather, i like to stick my waterproofs on an go for a wander. As Billy Connelly said the other night on TV "there's no such thing as bad weather, just the wrong clothes!".
Another reason is to better understand the planet i live on. I know that i do not know nearly as much as most people on this forum. But some of my friends think i am Ray Mears personified by my knowledge of the outdoors. They would not have a clue.
As an example when i went to a festival last year everyone watched me with interest when i started to heat up some water before we turned in, they couldn't work out what i was up to. The weather wasn't great and curiosity turned into astonishment when i poured hot water in a sigg bottle, put it in a walking sock and threw it in the bottom of my sleeping bag. A simple trick but it had everyone clambering for their water bottles!!
I suppose it is nothing more than a hobby, but i consider it to be a useful hobby with skills that can be used in everyday life. I also think it makes me more independant and reliant on myself than others.
I like being outdoors, i enjoy camping out. My meagre knowledge allows me a larger degree of comfort in the outdoor environment. I do not sit indoors in bad weather, i like to stick my waterproofs on an go for a wander. As Billy Connelly said the other night on TV "there's no such thing as bad weather, just the wrong clothes!".
Another reason is to better understand the planet i live on. I know that i do not know nearly as much as most people on this forum. But some of my friends think i am Ray Mears personified by my knowledge of the outdoors. They would not have a clue.
As an example when i went to a festival last year everyone watched me with interest when i started to heat up some water before we turned in, they couldn't work out what i was up to. The weather wasn't great and curiosity turned into astonishment when i poured hot water in a sigg bottle, put it in a walking sock and threw it in the bottom of my sleeping bag. A simple trick but it had everyone clambering for their water bottles!!
I suppose it is nothing more than a hobby, but i consider it to be a useful hobby with skills that can be used in everyday life. I also think it makes me more independant and reliant on myself than others.
British Red said:Apparently not Toddy
Red
You're quite right Red, quite right sir. We could start a small group of sympathisers. We could meet for tea and buscuits on a Monday night and generally sympathise about those less fortunate than ourselves?
But, no, no I couldnt join in good concience, I'm afraid I'm just dont have enough meaning in my life.
I do like REM though, maybe that's a start on the road to preparedness....
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.....
leon-b said:
Being serious for a moment, that is the most salient and grounded of reasons and nothing more needs adding.
As soon as people start to justify bushcraft in a context of the end of the world survival scenarios, it's time to call the men in white coats.
for me its about self reliance taking responcibility for my own actions and not being suffocated by the cosy life
its not a bad hobby you get to study wildlife, nature, the weather,trees, fish, plants,birds well the list is as long as you care to make it
but you cant explaun something this complex to the electric light populus
well thats my tuppenceworth
its not a bad hobby you get to study wildlife, nature, the weather,trees, fish, plants,birds well the list is as long as you care to make it
but you cant explaun something this complex to the electric light populus
well thats my tuppenceworth
Pointless question really IMHO. If you cant see the attraction then no amount of considered debate will ever explain it. For me its on of those things where every time i tried a little i enjoyed it enough to want to try a little more. Try inviting him out to a moot or something, really push the challenge onto him if he takes it up the scorn will stop for sure if he doesnt (and I doubt he will) you can be as scornfull (if you wish) as he. Either way itll shut him up.
I think it's a GREAT question!
I would waffle on about how it is a good vehicle for my son and I to go walking and playing in the woods. How we both get to try out some pretty amazing things (because making a fire from a small coal IS still amazing to me). We get to see some amazing things (sitting still under a tarp allows us to watch loads of stuff happening we don't see walking). We get to play at being Ray Mears (pathetic, but fun). My son gets to take the mickey out of me when things go wrong. IWe both get to practice being patient.
I'd go on for hours. That would serve him right for asking! I'd go on until the end of the world as we know it started. And I'd be OK, 'cos my son would be able to look after me!
I would waffle on about how it is a good vehicle for my son and I to go walking and playing in the woods. How we both get to try out some pretty amazing things (because making a fire from a small coal IS still amazing to me). We get to see some amazing things (sitting still under a tarp allows us to watch loads of stuff happening we don't see walking). We get to play at being Ray Mears (pathetic, but fun). My son gets to take the mickey out of me when things go wrong. IWe both get to practice being patient.
I'd go on for hours. That would serve him right for asking! I'd go on until the end of the world as we know it started. And I'd be OK, 'cos my son would be able to look after me!
Martyn,
Sorry , I have no intention of rising. I appear to have offended you in supporting someones right to hold a different world view. Actually, I think lots of us study all sorts of things from a variety of reasons - Mr Mears himself was fascinated with survival skills and if people here find that interesting and it doesn't hurt anyone else, good luck to them I say. The same applies as those who want to visit different ethnic backgrounds, study the flora and fauna, take pictures, indulge in live role play, collect knives, practice vegetarian lifestyles or complimentary medicine or brew beer and make soap. I don't personally want to do all of those things, however I defend the rights of others to pursue what interests them provided what they do is legal and harms no-one else. I agree with Jamie - lets not pour scorn on other peoples hobbies, interests or beliefs - lots of people are into Bushcraft for lots of reasons and I see no reason why we all can't get along and enjoy the diversity
Red
Sorry , I have no intention of rising. I appear to have offended you in supporting someones right to hold a different world view. Actually, I think lots of us study all sorts of things from a variety of reasons - Mr Mears himself was fascinated with survival skills and if people here find that interesting and it doesn't hurt anyone else, good luck to them I say. The same applies as those who want to visit different ethnic backgrounds, study the flora and fauna, take pictures, indulge in live role play, collect knives, practice vegetarian lifestyles or complimentary medicine or brew beer and make soap. I don't personally want to do all of those things, however I defend the rights of others to pursue what interests them provided what they do is legal and harms no-one else. I agree with Jamie - lets not pour scorn on other peoples hobbies, interests or beliefs - lots of people are into Bushcraft for lots of reasons and I see no reason why we all can't get along and enjoy the diversity
Red
Martyn said:Roger that!
"When you need it, and don't have it... you sing a different tune."
I always find it sad that people seem to think that a person who is into the whole subject of "Survival" is depicted by a photograph such as this, when this may be the case in some American movie like tremors, it certainly is not the case of many who study the subject in the UK...
I can show you a photo of such a UK person...
Wow, isn't that amazing, he looks just like an ordinary bloke, no guns swinging from his belt and no rifle slung across his shoulder...in fact he almost looks like a bloke out in the woods on a bushcraft weekend...I bet he would make a damned good plumbing and heating engineer as well, UK survival types are starngley enough just ordinary people leading ordinary lives, and if one was let loose in a busy street on a saturday afternoon you wouldn't look twice at him/her.
So loose the myth that we are all "different" we are no different to the average bushcrafter, most of us see it as a hobby as well...
LS
Hang on a sec LS, he's got one of those SAS issue black squares over his face Me thinks he's a trained killer
Seriously though, fare point! It's the end of the world, doom sayers chatter that makes snigger just a little.
Pib
Me thinks he's a trained killer Seriously though, fare point! It's the end of the world, doom sayers chatter that makes snigger just a little.
Pib
Well said, and there is no need to apologise, you havent offended me at all.British Red said:
You make a laudible point about live and let live, but there is another way of looking at it. Our peers and their comments ground us. We socialise each other with what we say to each other and we each act as social reflectors. If we are too off the wall, our peers will let us know, maybe with humour, sarcasm or just plain old argument. It adds the checks and balances of life and stops us being too mad. It's a natural and normal process. If we go too far, then others in turn will check us ..and others will check them and so on. Whether by humour, reason or whatever tool they choose to employ. The process is eveident in almost every thread on this forum. We moderate each others sanity (and behaviour) continually, in every aspect of our lives. There are laws which govern our land, rules which govern our work, but most prolific of all, social rules which moderate our behaviour. You can dance around naked in the woods and no one will care a hoot, do it in sainsburys or the playground of a junior school and you will cause a problem. We socialise our children according to the rules we learn ourselves and our laws are based on our social rules. We do judge each other, it's not just normal, it's essential. Every single one of us does it every single day.
It is laudible to suggest we should rise above it, but a little unrealistic and slightly hypocritical. I've never yet met anyone so genuinely magnanimous of spirit. Paricipants of this thread, while objecting to being judged, are themselves judging others. It's evident in comments like...
stick their head in the sand
perhaps have little of true meaning in their own lives
anti-camo freaks
ignorant non-bushcrafters will make darn good eating
you cant explaun something this complex to the electric light populus
etc.
All valid comments, all part of the above mentioned checks and balances, but not entirely magnanamous. We judge others, just as we are being judged. What I do find a little cheap, is the attempt at a moral "gag" of my own opinions, by suggesting I am only making them because I have no real meaning in my life. I do find those obsessed with the end of the world (and even wishing it upon us), to be a little "off center". Whether they like it or not, I will continue to express that opinion, perhaps with humour or sarcasm. There are lots of things in life which stir me to comment, the BNP, Tony Blair, section 139, and a bad Cabernet Sauvignon to name a few. But I promise you, none of them reflect an absence of meaning in my life. I wouldnt be a Nurse if I was so self centered would I?
Lock and load buddy.
Banjobill said:
Its the same as people who go coarse angling, being out and chilling without bothering with watching a float for hours on end!
We are injured and hurt emotionally,
Not by what people do, or say,
But by our own actions and responses
LS
Not by what people do, or say,
But by our own actions and responses
LS
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