What is the point off fly fishing just use bait

mikehill

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If it’s for the table then I’ve no problem with it. But I now think that catch and release is just torturing them. It’s the reason I packed it in.
It seems that as fish are mute we don’t think the same as we would with other animals. Although I respect everyone’s right to think differently ;)
 

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If this thread wasn't trolling, I don't know what is! ;)

I guess there should be recognition granted for having trolled on the subject of fishing, but still...:rolleyes:.

I hate seeing threads like this. They almost invariably follow the same pattern. "What's the point of X, why not, or just, use Y?" Even if there was an ounce of genuine curiosity in the question, inevitably the following posts make it look like the real reason for asking such questions is some kind of one-upmanship.

There are plenty of folk who fish with bait for whom fishing has no more point than it does for those that fish with flies. They all do it because, for them, it is fun, they enjoy the process and activity, even if there is no meal at the end of it. Just like people do lots of stuff for fun like playing instruments, playing billiards/darts/bowling, going camping, wood working, bird watching, or just watching sport on TV.

Anyway....I need to go back to my fly tying bench!:nana:
 

Poacherman

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If it’s for the table then I’ve no problem with it. But I now think that catch and release is just torturing them. It’s the reason I packed it in.
It seems that as fish are mute we don’t think the same as we would with other animals. Although I respect everyone’s right to think differently ;)
Exactly Mike I'm in total agreement with U there.
 

Poacherman

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If this thread wasn't trolling, I don't know what is! ;)

I guess there should be recognition granted for having trolled on the subject of fishing, but still...:rolleyes:.

I hate seeing threads like this. They almost invariably follow the same pattern. "What's the point of X, why not, or just, use Y?" Even if there was an ounce of genuine curiosity in the question, inevitably the following posts make it look like the real reason for asking such questions is some kind of one-upmanship.

There are plenty of folk who fish with bait for whom fishing has no more point than it does for those that fish with flies. They all do it because, for them, it is fun, they enjoy the process and activity, even if there is no meal at the end of it. Just like people do lots of stuff for fun like playing instruments, playing billiards/darts/bowling, going camping, wood working, bird watching, or just watching sport on TV.

Anyway....I need to go back to my fly tying bench!:nana:
Fishing for sport is cruel though n flyfishing does have a sport element catch n release should be illegal.
 
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Poacherman

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If this thread wasn't trolling, I don't know what is! ;)

I guess there should be recognition granted for having trolled on the subject of fishing, but still...:rolleyes:.

I hate seeing threads like this. They almost invariably follow the same pattern. "What's the point of X, why not, or just, use Y?" Even if there was an ounce of genuine curiosity in the question, inevitably the following posts make it look like the real reason for asking such questions is some kind of one-upmanship.

There are plenty of folk who fish with bait for whom fishing has no more point than it does for those that fish with flies. They all do it because, for them, it is fun, they enjoy the process and activity, even if there is no meal at the end of it. Just like people do lots of stuff for fun like playing instruments, playing billiards/darts/bowling, going camping, wood working, bird watching, or just watching sport on TV.

Anyway....I need to go back to my fly tying bench!:nana:
I accept 6 off your hand tied flys in the mail as a token off your recognition towards me I shall use them with wor ms on the fly hooks best off both worlds.
 
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C_Claycomb

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Why use a rod at all then? Nets & traps are far more efficient
Exactly but not legal unfortunately for me.
No comment iv never poached whistling....
Through your frequent and carefully worded posting, not to mention your chosen screen name, I doubt anyone would believe that you don't poach. If you really don't, you have certainly gone to a lot of trouble to create the impression that you do.

As such, don't be surprised if your thoughts on fishing morals and ethics don't get much attention.
Fishing for sport is cruel though n flyfishing does have a sport element catch n release should be illegal.

It isn't like killing and eating a fish means that hooking and hauling it out of water is any less cruel. You have just found a reason to justify it to yourself. If you have issue with sport fishing, why not take aim at the chaps that catch canal roach, tench and bream only to put them in a keep net for the day?

I fish rarely, and it is even rarer that I do catch and release, and I am really not interested in a debate. However I can recommend:
https://www.flyfishing.co.uk/forums/
If you think you are onto something, why not go debate the ethics of fishing for the pot with nets vs catch and release on one of these. Maybe you can change some minds there.
 
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Poacherman

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Through your frequent and carefully worded posting, not to mention your chosen screen name, I doubt anyone would believe that you don't poach. If you really don't, you have certainly gone to a lot of trouble to create the impression that you do.

As such, don't be surprised if your thoughts on fishing morals and ethics don't get much attention.


It isn't like killing and eating a fish means that hooking and hauling it out of water is any less cruel. You have just found a reason to justify it to yourself. If you have issue with sport fishing, why not take aim at the chaps that catch canal roach, tench and bream only to put them in a keep net for the day?

I fish rarely, and it is even rarer that I do catch and release, and I am really not interested in a debate. However I can recommend:
https://www.flyfishing.co.uk/forums/
If you think you are onto something, why not go debate the ethics of fishing for the pot with nets vs catch and release on one of these. Maybe you can change some minds there.
I have tried exposing how pointless \cruel catch and rele ase is it always falls on deaf ears .Britain is to steeped in sporting traditions, same with shooting and gamekeepers killing birds off prey and foxes and badgers with stink pits but not all gamekeepers are bad. The subject off ethics laws morals poachers? Keepers? Bushcrafters? Survivalists? Ect is a steep one even walking up kinder scout was illegal once opinions come n go but Britain will never change.
 
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I agree the fly can be cast and presented silently with minimal disturbance off the water, while bait plops and can spook very spooky fish .And in that scenario id use the fly ,but only in that scenario Every other situation id use bait "BAIT" is" KING" n always will be fish are for food not for sport.
I carn t argue u have a point.
 

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I have tried exposing how pointless \cruel catch and rele ase is it always falls on deaf ears .Britain is to steeped in sporting traditions, same with shooting and gamekeepers killing birds off prey and foxes and badgers with stink pits but not all gamekeepers are bad. The subject off ethics laws morals poachers? Keepers? Bushcrafters? Survivalists? Ect is a steep one even walking up kinder scout was illegal once opinions come n go but Britain will never change.
A very fair point.
 

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Each to their own. Here the emphasis is heavily on catch and release, very few anglers actually fish for food.

The other attraction that appeals to a lot of anglers with fly fishing is the skill of actually laying the fly accurately where you want it to.
Why make life harder for yourself seems counterproductive.
 

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