Rustlers Burgers

[santaman2000]

Sorry Santaman2000, I ought to have made myself clear.....I haven't a clue what percentage of the meat is fat, I judge it on what beast it came from and how it looks and cooks, iimmc.
I don't think I've ever seen meat labelled with a fat % on it, that's all.

My friendly neighbourhood poacher (different thing entirely over here, I hasten to add, I remember the last conversation) add's the fat from pope's eye steak to the venison shoulder meat when he's making sausages.

Tbh, I don't think that there are many foods that are intrinsically 'bad' for us, our entire system is built to make use of the best that we can cherrypick, and that's a huge variety. I do think that too much of any one kind isn't good for us though, and I think seasonality is much overlooked.

The five a day guideline was a good starting point to get folks thinking about it, but there are a lot of people still needng to take it to heart......that said, we've never had such a variety available to us, but many folks still find it too expensive.

cheers,
Toddy

Agreed Toddy. Most foods aren't intrinsicly bad in and of themselves. rather it's out overindulgence and out lack of choosing a balanced diet. At least for most of us as there are some with truly restricting conditions (allergies, crohn's disease, etc.) And for to much fast food with high calorie, low essential nutrient content.

 

[Andy BB]

Strangely enough, the student's favourite - beans on toast - is a perfect balance with all the good stuff (including amino acids) one needs for a balanced diet and good nutrition. A bit boring for three times a day though, even if incredibly cheap!

 

[santaman2000]

Aye, nowadays, when they're filling up on modern foods.
Previously their life expectancy seems to have been the equal of everyone else's.

I actually watched (yeah, I know, that's once in a blue moon occurance ) a programme about a walrus hunter from out the backside end of Russia, who only ate walrus, guts and all and seabirds. Fit as a fiddle that old man, still climbing cliffs and hunting for his dinner. He said that it used to be common.

cheers,
M

But most reeseach (study of their skeletal remains) tells otherwise. That said it's as likely as not that their earlier death rates might have been atrtibutable to a rougher lifestyle? Who knows?

 

[santaman2000]

Strangely enough, the student's favourite - beans on toast - is a perfect balance with all the good stuff (including amino acids) one needs for a balanced diet and good nutrition. A bit boring for three times a day though, even if incredibly cheap!

t's a good choice but not really "balanced." All the complex carbs, fiber, and amino acids true. But notice what's lacking? Fresh produce and the accompanying vitamins. That said, if you HAVE to go with an unbalanced diet, that's definitely one of the better ones.

 

[Tengu]

Well, the college canteen these days seems to serve mainly fast food and salad.

They do cooked meals, but not as much as they used to.

(Also baked potatoes, pasta, pizza (the only stuff at college which is nasty, IMHO) sarnies, soup and hot desserts.)

At home I eat all sorts of things...But I do prefer hot food.

And yes, these days it can be heartbreaking getting affordable meat. I have a good freezer, and pretty much depend on reduced items.

 

[Andy BB]

t's a good choice but not really "balanced." All the complex carbs, fiber, and amino acids true. But notice what's lacking? Fresh produce and the accompanying vitamins. That said, if you HAVE to go with an unbalanced diet, that's definitely one of the better ones.

Canned beans not fresh produce? Shame on you for doubting the canning industry And as with frozen peas, the chances are they retain more vitamins than the ones you buy several days/weeks old in the shop...

 

[British Red]

Strangely enough, the student's favourite - beans on toast - is a perfect balance with all the good stuff (including amino acids) one needs for a balanced diet and good nutrition. A bit boring for three times a day though, even if incredibly cheap!

Agreed - especially if you have the reduced salt and sugar beans - weird that they cost more with less stuff in huh?

Beans are a great food. The Italians and the Americans make so much more of them than we do. Trouble is the old housewives just boiled the snot out of them. Add some tomatoes and garlic, a shake of paprika and you are really cooking.



Baked Field Beans by British Red, on Flickr

Serve on a thick slab of fresh home made foccacia


Focaccia by British Red, on Flickr

A meal fit for a king - carbs, protein, minimal fat good minerals too. Chuck in a leafy salad and its a brilliant cheap meal

 

[santaman2000]

Canned beans not fresh produce? Shame on you for doubting the canning industry And as with frozen peas, the chances are they retain more vitamins than the ones you buy several days/weeks old in the shop...

LOL. Sorry; Poorly worded on my part. When I said "fresh produce" I was thinking of green. leafy vegetables and fruits.

Actually I do like canned foods (such as beans, tomatoes, etc.) as they are picked at the height of ripeness and packed the same day. whereas buying "fresh" produce in the market, it was likely picked days ago (ot longer) and was probably picked before it was fully ripe to better survive transportation.

The only real downfall with the canned stuff is the added ingredients.

 

[Andy BB]

Don't beat up on fat! Body needs external fats and protein, otherwise can't process many of the minerals and vitamins which are fat soluble. Killer of course is refined sugar - or any sugar really, in the quantities consumed today. Particularly when eaten in concert with refined bread as well - the golden duo of diabetes......

 

[santaman2000]

Agreed - especially if you have the reduced salt and sugar beans - weird that they cost more with less stuff in huh?

Beans are a great food. The Italians and the Americans make so much more of them than we do. Trouble is the old housewives just boiled the snot out of them. Add some tomatoes and garlic, a shake of paprika and you are really cooking.



Baked Field Beans by British Red, on Flickr

Serve on a thick slab of fresh home made foccacia


Focaccia by British Red, on Flickr

A meal fit for a king - carbs, protein, minimal fat good minerals too. Chuck in a leafy salad and its a brilliant cheap meal

Now you're making it a truly balanced meal Red. the salad (or maybe 2) goes a long way. Maybe fresh fruit for dessert and a glass of milk for a beverage and there's little, if anything, missing.

 

[santaman2000]

Don't beat up on fat! Body needs external fats and protein, otherwise can't process many of the minerals and vitamins which are fat soluble......

Agreed. the body needs some external fats. The thing is the amount needed is relatively minute while the amount this generation consumes is relatively enormous. And we usually consume the wrong ones.

 

[Samon]

this discussion has come a long way! if anyone would like to chip in and add to ym thread regarding healthy affordable recipes please do! http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99970&p=1207462#post1207462

out of curiosity, how much veg could a 12x12 metre garden produce?

 

[santaman2000]

For someone who knows how to farm it will produce a lot Samon. Not all you need, but A LOT!

 

[British Red]

36 x 36'? Pack it in tight you will get all the onions, garlic, beans, peas, salad veg, carrots, parsnips, cabbage and brussels you can eat. You could get a boat load of soft fruit like strawberries and the like as well.

I would avoid main crop spuds as they are so cheap. Put in an 8x6 greenhouse and add things like tomatoes, chillis and winter salad. Some new potatoes are always lovely straight from the ground - sky is the limit

Red

 

[Samon]

For someone who knows how to farm it will produce a lot Samon. Not all you need, but A LOT!

I have a family of 3, and my garden is pretty rank as is, I use it for emptying the dog and playing with tools. The soil is fairly decent, but I'd like to do more with it but have no genuine experience past mushrooms and chillis.. I've thrown old sprouting spuds in the ground before and they grew well but we quite small. any tips/tutorials to becoming a wee small holder??

 

[santaman2000]

A simple tip; if you want to grow your own chillis do so in a container near the front door rather than taking up your limited space. Likewise tomatoes can not only be contaierized but are often grown (over here at least) in a hanging container with the vines hanging from the container.

The other tips will probably be better from red or others actually over there who have better knowledge of what's available there and how it fits into your seasons.

 

[Retired Member southey]

I thought we could be a little bit more informed about the ingredients of this "meal"





Beef Burger (45%) [Beef (75%), Beef Fat, Water, Textured Soya Protein (5%), Dextrose, Flavour Enhancer: E621; Salt, Sugar, Stabiliser: E451; Egg White Powder, Flavourings, Hydrolysed Vegetable Protein, Malt Extract, Yeast Extract, Colour: E150c],

Sesame Seed Bun (41%) [Wheat Flour, Water, Vegetable Oil & Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil, Yeast, Sesame Seeds, Salt, Sugar, Emulsifiers: E472e, E471; Preservative: E282; Flour Treatment Agent: E300],

Processed Cheese (8%) [Partially Reconstituted Whey Powder, Cheese, Butter, Milk Proteins, Emulsifying Salts: E452, E339, E341, E331; Modified Maize Starch, Salt, Preservative: E200; Colours: E160a, E160c],

Tomato Ketchup (6%) [Tomato Paste, Vinegar, Glucose-Fructose Syrup, Water, Modified Maize & Potato Starch, Salt, Acidity Regulators: E330, E331; Preservative: E202; Thickeners: E412, E415; Flavouring]

 

[British Red]

I've thrown old sprouting spuds in the ground before and they grew well but we quite small. any tips/tutorials to becoming a wee small holder??

With that space, I would turn it into long, thin, South facing strips. Kill all the weeds and rotovate it to begin with. Theres an article on doing it here

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43729&page=6&p=898113#post898113

You don't need the boards - the soil alone is fine

I can guide you through planting and even send you the seeds!

 

[Samon]

With that space, I would turn it into long, thin, South facing strips. Kill all the weeds and rotovate it to begin with. Theres an article on doing it here

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43729&page=6&p=898113#post898113

You don't need the boards - the soil alone is fine

I can guide you through planting and even send you the seeds!

wow! that's pretty serious stuff you got there mate. I will have a look around my garden tomorrow and see where possible beds could be laid. And thank you very much for the offer on seeds, I will ask my wife what she thinks and if some portion of the garden can be put to use! that reminds me, I have some beetroot and raddish seeds in a kitchen drawer that i was meant to plant last sumemr..

 

[Retired Member southey]

just because it doesn't say hydrogenated fat doesn't mean it isn't there under a different name, we know that not all E numbered ingredients are bad they are just used instead of the industry name, but they are also used to rename ingredients that we might not really want in out food,