Money

[Pattree]

Those so want cash can campaign for it. I’m not opposing them. I have no objection whatsoever to the existence of cash. I just don’t want it. I’ve got a little in my wallet but I don’t use it unless there is no alternative.

This evening I went with the family to see the Sleeping Beauty pantomime. Paid for tickets via my phone. The booking listed the seat numbers. Paid for parking via my phone, had ice cream in the interval paid for via my phone. We had nine grandchildren with us but if we’d gone for drinks afterwards it would have been financed via my phone.

The information gatherers have gained nothing that they haven’t already established via all the other things that I’ve done on line. Agencies that wanted to track my actions have so many ways to establish them anyway.

Just as you do, I buy stuff on line. Much of it is Chinese. To what extent do you think that that (or any other) nation’s commercial or intelligence agencies are restrained by adherence to their privacy statements?

My only real protection against exploitation is that I’m neither wealthy enough nor significant enough to be worth attention.

The only defence that makes any sense,
Is to act on the fact that there is no defence.
Piet Hein.

 

[CLEM]

I carry cash at all times and i try to pay with cash every time if at all possible, use it or lose it. Once it’s gone it ain’t coming back.
Chinese style, Social Credit Scores, control, Justin Trudeau, control, Canadian Truckers, control, punishment.


I’ve never been wealthy at least monetarily anyway, I’ve never sought wealth ( I wish I had though ) but i have been very poor.

 

[Keith_Beef]

Oh, and most retailers prefer electronic transfers these days - it cost them less than physically going to a bank and depositing cash and it's safer.

I gave blood and urine samples yesterday too keep track of my diabetes treatment.

A sign in the lab office says "we don't take card payments; cards are free for the client but not for us; by not taking card payments, we save enough money to employ an extra member of staff".

 

[Wildgoose]

It’s a double edge sword for retailers.

Speaking last night to the chair of the local British legion he said that he pays £11-15k a year in card fees, so he’s anti card

BUT if he doesn’t take card he limits the trade he gets as people only carry a limited amount of cash. That “let’s get another round in” mentality is lost as the trudge to the cash point isn’t appealing.

If I’m going to a country show I’ll always take cash, but have certainly made bigger impulse buys as I can use the card

 

[Keith_Beef]

As well as privacy concerns, there is also concern over how fragile and vunerable the overall system is. It's easy to plod along with a sense of security about the whole thing, but the reality is that it doesn't take much for the contents of your bank account to become inaccessible.

Without wanting to get too political, we only have to look back at Canada a couple of years ago to see how much security you really have over your money.

The government of Sweden recently advised citizens to keep stocks of cash in case of "hybrid attacks" on infrastructure such as payment systems and electricity supply.


This is an old article, but I've seen others in the last month or so.

'Being cash-free puts us at risk of attack': Swedes turn against cashlessness

Sweden’s central bank governor has called for public control over its payment system. Others say a fully digital system is vulnerable to fraud and attack

www.theguardian.com

Ah, here's a more recent one, Norway as well.

Sweden and Norway rethink cashless society plans over Russia security fears

Rise in hybrid warfare and cyber-attacks blamed on pro-Russia groups prompt Nordic neighbours to backpedal

www.theguardian.com

 

[TeeDee]

Those so want cash can campaign for it. I’m not opposing them. I have no objection whatsoever to the existence of cash. I just don’t want it. I’ve got a little in my wallet but I don’t use it unless there is no alternative.

One shouldn't need to campaign for a status quo of historically established principles to remain.
Campaign is for change if you want change. So YOU can campaign if you wish to move to a cashless society.

 

[TeeDee]

Just as you do, I buy stuff on line. Much of it is Chinese. To what extent do you think that that (or any other) nation’s commercial or intelligence agencies are restrained by adherence to their privacy statements?

You need to lay off that stuff , tasty as it is.

Prawn crackers are my nemesis.

 

[Keith_Beef]

Over here antique and bric-à-brac sellers will regularly offer a 20% discount for payment in cash.

Curiously, the VAT rate is 20%.

 

[slowworm]

Prawn crackers are my nemesis.

I would have thought you would make your own bushcraft crackers, starch from the roots of bullrush and prawn flavour from woodlice, or similar.

 

[TeeDee]

I would have thought you would make your own bushcraft crackers, starch from the roots of bullrush and prawn flavour from woodlice, or similar.

Now that you've suggested that...

The idea has lodged..

Woodlice do taste Prawnish.

Either that or the worlds smallest Prawn Cocktail.

 

[TeeDee]

The government of Sweden recently advised citizens to keep stocks of cash in case of "hybrid attacks" on infrastructure such as payment systems and electricity supply.


This is an old article, but I've seen others in the last month or so.

'Being cash-free puts us at risk of attack': Swedes turn against cashlessness

Sweden’s central bank governor has called for public control over its payment system. Others say a fully digital system is vulnerable to fraud and attack

www.theguardian.com

Ah, here's a more recent one, Norway as well.

Sweden and Norway rethink cashless society plans over Russia security fears

Rise in hybrid warfare and cyber-attacks blamed on pro-Russia groups prompt Nordic neighbours to backpedal

www.theguardian.com

I drove upto Nordkapp a few years back and it was impossible to find anywhere that took cash.

I know its a double edge question but I wonder what happens if one loses or misplaces ones wallet ( I've never seen a purse in the public domain so assume they don't exist ) - no access to cash and cards for however long.

 

[Broch]

One shouldn't need to campaign for a status quo of historically established principles to remain.
Campaign is for change if you want change. So YOU can campaign if you wish to move to a cashless society.

So said the luddites

 

[Falstaff]

Canada, was that where they blocked all the demo truck drivers bank cards, as the authorities/govt did,nt like them protesting by ceasing deliveries?

 

[TeeDee]

Canada, was that where they blocked all the demo truck drivers bank cards, as the authorities/govt did,nt like them protesting by ceasing deliveries?

Yes.

 

[TeeDee]

So said the luddites

I know what you are saying is somewhat tongue in cheek.

But do you really think its a similar notion? I mean , advancement and progression of changing industry vs element of commercial exchange that is as old as Gold and Silver minting?

Similar but different. I see alot of people moan about how village shops and small town center shops are a thing of the past and dying from lack of trade and commerce - everyone preferring to do trade at a large supermarket.
Over time the small local village shop that has been there for years closes down and never reopens to offer that function again.
I'm just wary that once a thing is gone - its gone.

But equally if we are going to follow what the majority does and just accept it - then can we just get rid of the now unsanctioned 'U's in the English Language .

If America and the the various computer spell checks don't see a need for them - I say lets get rid.

 

[Glow_worm]

What's the point in losing the 'u's if you have to replace them with needlessly adding the word 'So' to the start of sentences? I try not to be judgemental but this automatically triggers a subconcious disregard of anything written afterwards...

 

[TeeDee]

What's the point in losing the 'u's if you have to replace them with needlessly adding the word 'So' to the start of sentences? I try not to be judgemental but this automatically triggers a subconcious disregard of anything written afterwards...

Humo(u)r.

 

[Glow_worm]

So I guess my attempt at humor wasn't obvious, maybe I'll swap it out for something else yall.

 

[William_Montgomery]

I'm just wary that once a thing is gone - its gone.

Absolutely. We should all be very wary about that and think more about the long-term consequences. It's goes well beyond whether or not one prefers to pay via cash or card at the supermarket.

 

[Broch]

Recently, like just before Christmas, I was required to pay for a service by cheque - not cash, card, or bank transfer, but a cheque. I had to search the house high and low to try and find an old cheque book - I think it must have been twenty years old!

I don't miss cheques but at least I can pay them in using my phone instead of travelling 15 miles to the nearest bank