It's certainly shaping up.
I've almost finished my toboggan but the conditions are lousy for taking piccies at the moment.
I've almost finished my toboggan but the conditions are lousy for taking piccies at the moment.
Jokkmokk - Sub Zero Trip - February 2013
- Thread starter Wayland
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Nice!
Mid to low -20's make for good fun. Not too cold to be a hinderence, not to warm to be moist n humid.... Excited already !!
Weather Info for Jokkmokk in February. More info than you can shake a frozen stick at...
OK it's info for Gallivare but it's fairly close.
http://weatherspark.com/averages/28936/2/Gallivare-Norrbotten-Sweden
OK it's info for Gallivare but it's fairly close.
http://weatherspark.com/averages/28936/2/Gallivare-Norrbotten-Sweden
Anyone have a good carbon monoxide alarm they can recommend (battery operated and which can handle being the cold)? As I intend to try and sleep in an igloo or quinzee at least some of the time and/or light a stove in my tipi I am taking one of these alarms.
Any names or brands of proven alarms are much appreciated
Lennart
Any names or brands of proven alarms are much appreciated
Lennart
Anyone have a good carbon monoxide alarm they can recommend (battery operated and which can handle being the cold)? As I intend to try and sleep in an igloo or quinzee at least some of the time and/or light a stove in my tipi I am taking one of these alarms.
Any names or brands of proven alarms are much appreciated
Lennart
As long as you have adequate ventilation and a "cold well" you should be fine. CO is heavier than air so will sink into your cold well and out the door. I doubt any electronic detectors will handle the cold.
Anyone have a good carbon monoxide alarm they can recommend (battery operated and which can handle being the cold)? As I intend to try and sleep in an igloo or quinzee at least some of the time and/or light a stove in my tipi I am taking one of these alarms.
Any names or brands of proven alarms are much appreciated
Lennart
We used to have little CO indicator patches at a previous employment where CO was a constant problem-very light and disposable IIRC.
http://www.maplin.co.uk/carbon-monoxide-detectorpatches-18227?c=maplin&utm_source=gcs&utm_medium=gcs_search&utm_campaign=GG65V&utm_content=Fire+%26+CO+Safety
Obviously, the operating temps need checking.
I don't think CO will sink into the cold well. CO will pretty much mix with air and 'float around with it'. Several people die every year from CO poisoning sleeping in snow shelters, igloos and what not so I think there is a real danger. Of course with enough ventilation there shouldn't be a problem, but I would rather not take the risk on judging what 'enough' is.
Best thing to do is to do a dry run at home. Seal the gaps in the tent with snow and light your fire. You can then monitor a CO meter while keeping it warm (most stop working below 5 celsius). Get your stove full of smouldering green wood and then block the chimney. This is probably your worst case scenario. If this doesn't set off your alarm you'll probably be OK. I'd also advise you spend a little extra and get an alarm with a LCD readout rather than a simple meter with a preset alarm level.
Snow caves are often called snow coffins for good reason. Monoxide is just one of the killers in these shelters.
Snow caves are often called snow coffins for good reason. Monoxide is just one of the killers in these shelters.
Comforting words ID
The whole thing collapsing is probably the greatest danger.
Woody installed CO alarms in the lavvus we slept in the first night in Bardufoss. Anybody took a closer look at those?
The units don't have to work at temps of -30C/-40C as it shouldn't be that cold in the (snow)shelter (which is the whole point of the snow shelter
) Anything functional to up to around -10C should be good. I will have a little search and let you know if I find anything.
Lennart
I can and will but he is a busy man and probably off building a snow cave or hacking his way through the jungle as we speak
Don't want to bother him if it isn't necessary.
I understand none of the other 'icemen' is bringing a CO alarm? Perhaps I am being overconcerned?
I found a FirstAlert CO meter that should work up to -20C. That wil do as it shouldn't be colder in the snow shelter or tipi.
Just ordered a CO alarm that will work up to -30C. Agreed I am being (over)cautious.
I will most likely spend one or more nights in my tipi as well and with a stove going in there I have decided it is better to be safe than sorry
As mentioned it shouldn't be a problem, but I would never forgive myself if I died from CO poisoning
I will most likely spend one or more nights in my tipi as well and with a stove going in there I have decided it is better to be safe than sorry
As mentioned it shouldn't be a problem, but I would never forgive myself if I died from CO poisoning
As I have decided to lug around an auger (to gain access to liquid water if possible) I might as well do some ice fishing. Last trip in Norway we managed to catch nothing at all even using night lines. Anyone (local forum members perhaps) have suggestions on lines, hooks, bait that will maximise the chance of actually catching something? If I understand correctly I am allowed to fish using natural bait as part of the allemansrecht, but if I use lures or jigs I need a permit. Anyone know if nightlines are allowed in the Jokkmokk area? If so, I assume we would need a permit as the rod will not be within reach, right?
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