Are bushcrafters a little strange ?

[Widgy grub]

Do you get the opinion that people think we are a little strange,

I have emailed a few land owners to obviously ask permission to use their land, but do you know what, I have had not one reply !!!

 

[John Fenna]

I resent the idea that Bushcrafters are a little strange!
If "Normal" is what is reported in the daily press then I would like to think of Bushcrafters - like myself - are a LOT strange!

 

[Goatboy]

Maybe it's just you!

Sorry kidding, but yes it attracts the more "esoteric" type, just look at the forum.

 

[Toddy]

Someone recently wrote in a thread that really one ought to first write asking if one might write to discuss asking for permission to use land, rather than just gripping by the throat straight away

It's a gentler, more courteous way to break the ice or to leave the door open to an approach later on.

Bushcrafters ? Strange ?.....speak for yourself !

cheers,
Toddy

 

[udamiano]

I doubt it has anything to do with that. I would be more inclined to think its the method of your inquiry. You would do much better actually going and seeing the landowners rather than email. I would also have answers like insurance, and such already sorted, as that will be of major concern. And whatever you do don't go dressed in Camo.

 

[HillBill]

Emails are easy to ignore... and remember that most folk who "own" land.... have admin to sort trivial things for them....who tend to ignore folk like us, through fear of not doing their job right.

We are a minority....... as such... we are different to the norm...... yet in reality.... modern life is a huge step from the accepted norms of the last however many thousand years... So i would say we are the remnants of what once was an accepted normality..... as such we are true to our heritage and the rest of the country ( and most of the rest of the world) is running too far too fast. They will catch up (or down) again

 

[tom.moran]

where ive been going, we went there around this time last year scouting for locations and met a bloke who was hiding behind a tree with a huge gun. he said we shouldnt camp there as its hunting season and showed us to another wood about half a mile away where we could. he had no issues with us being there and later turned up with a deer and offered us the liver and heart for our tea. sometimes you just met people and things work out. whenever ive gone to someone to ask permission they have always turned me down, whereas being 'caught in the act' has always worked out fine. im not saying you should go places without permission but sometimes when they can see your looking after your surroundings rather than just saying you will it helps

 

[Toddy]

Two stickied threads on wild camping and seeking permission that are well worth reading, and please remember that the forum neither condones or encourages illegal behaviour.

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52652

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52767

cheers,
Toddy

 

[Widgy grub]

Thanks all,
It just saddens me to skulk around a beautiful woodland , not truly enjoying it to the full for the fear of being discovered and reported?

 

[HillBill]

As i have seen on here........ Its easier to apologise than ask permission

 

[Toddy]

Yeah, and that's the wrong attitude if you really want to change any public access.
In England and Wales, private land is just that; someone owns it. If it were your land and someone took to using it, from what has also been said on here, that would cause the majority great offence.

Can't have it both ways.

Please read Ged's articles in the stickies I linked to. The arguements are valid and very real.

M

 

[HillBill]

I see the world this way Mary... its not possible for a species to own the land that created it.... the land always has and always will own everything born upon it. It came from the land.... it goes back to the land.... mans laws are just that... mans laws... as such are a crock of .... **** when it comes to natural law... a law to which i wholly subscribe

 

[tom.moran]

i have just read both articles and now wish i lived in scotland

i know they way i have done it in the past isnt the 'correct' way but i honestly didnt really consider it that bad at the time. the more i think about it from a land owners perspective to more i do realise permission has to be sought. i guess im lucky that i now have a few locations with permission to camp. though none have given permission for a permanent camp(very well built lean to) to be erected, this is something i intend to achieve over the winter

 

[Toddy]

HillBill, in the country in which you live, all land that is not public is excluded from right to roam. That's the law, the actual law, not some ideal or Robin Hoodish interpretation of it.
The forum asks that we, a) don't discuss politics, and b)we do not encourage or promote illegal activity.

This conversational thread is on a very sticky wicket

cheers,
M

 

[Dave]

Yeah, and that's the wrong attitude if you really want to change any public access.
In England and Wales, private land is just that; someone owns it. If it were your land and someone took to using it, from what has also been said on here, that would cause the majority great offence.

M

Im afraid I've gotta disagree with almost all of that. Sorry.

 

[ammo]

Words of wisdom. I do like the way your mind works!

I see the world this way Mary... its not possible for a species to own the land that created it.... the land always has and always will own everything born upon it. It came from the land.... it goes back to the land.... mans laws are just that... mans laws... as such are a crock of .... **** when it comes to natural law... a law to which i wholly subscribe

 

[Goatboy]

Whether it's right or wrong, the forum also has rules which we agree to to stop it getting into trouble, we've been asked very nicely to tone it down guys.

 

[Toddy]

Gentlemen you may disagree all you like, but that's the reality of the laws of your country.

I don't live there, so I have no axe to grind on this, but I do have a responsibility to keep the forum clear on the legalities of the matter.
The Boss asks that we do not encourage, promote or recommend illegal activity.
That's it in a nutshell.

There is also the point that too many people have worked too hard to gain permissions to have that dissed by someone with no regard for them or the rights of the land owners.

This forum is the wrong place to spout political activism. Good clear, legal advice, however, is welcomed.

M

 

[HillBill]

To quote Game of Thrones..D) "power lies where people believe it lies" there really is nothing more to it than that. I can understand what you're saying regarding legalities....but legalities are temporary things... constantly in flux.... dished out by folks who believe they have the power to dish out such things.... again..that really is a temporary thing....i would rather have my own principle and stand by it... than to let my principles be dictated by the greed of those whose principles are both self serving and enforced by the sword (as it were )

No offence intended at all Mary.... i believe we have had this discussion before. My opinion is just that...my opinion....and one that will remain in effect for the rest of my natural life. Those same laws will not last as long as that i fear.... i'd rather be consistent... than right or wrong, depending on another persons opinion.
I'm not saying that folk should break the "law" only that the "law" isn't made for us, only for those with money.
I will say no more.

HillBill, in the country in which you live, all land that is not public is excluded from right to roam. That's the law, the actual law, not some ideal or Robin Hoodish interpretation of it.
The forum asks that we, a) don't discuss politics, and b)we do not encourage or promote illegal activity.

This conversational thread is on a very sticky wicket

cheers,
M

 

[santaman2000]

Emails are easy to ignore... and remember that most folk who "own" land.... have admin to sort trivial things for them....

Really? None of the folks I know have "admin" to handle anything for them. Including me. At least none of the landowners I know personally (most everybody I grew up with) I di know of some wealthy ones that do though, just never met any of them personally.