Lord Poncho, yep soft as chamois leather now,painfull when i first broke them in(they've had a fare few tin's of lundhag wax worked into them over the years)
Arctic Rucksack/ Royal Marine H-Frame Bergen
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I wore the soles off a pair of those twice before they finally fell apart. Great boots.
If you're thinking of the collector's value, you might want to think twice before trying to remove that #8. It might (or might not) have some value as well if it can be traced to a specific unit, battle, individual, etc.
Possibly. Also remember that those photos are of actual Marines probably with a full sustaiment load (of military gear) in those rucks. The shear weight might well overburden the wearer with a modern ruck with a waistbelt as well.
Great pics...interesting info.
I remember that framed rucksack without waistbelt lean well. Came free of charge with every pack bought
My old Cobmaster (long deceased) managed to create it perfectly in the 70's/80's
kawasemi
I remember that framed rucksack without waistbelt lean well. Came free of charge with every pack bought
My old Cobmaster (long deceased) managed to create it perfectly in the 70's/80's
kawasemi
Here you go- a few (fairly poor, sorry) photos:
I'll try and get some better ones/close ups if there is any interest.
I'll try and get some better ones/close ups if there is any interest.
Looking good,though think getting the belt would help(i have a soft spot for old school kit) and why dont they make more kit out of butyl nylon that stuff is TOUGH.
A belt for it was linked to by Twodogs- and I am tempted, just not sure if I could justify the expense. It would make it complete though (I think), and probably I would get the cash back if ever I sold it.
I agree on the Butyl Nylon- it is oustanding, and amazingly light. This whole bergen with the frame weighs infinitely less than my Lowe Saracen, and although I haven't actually weighed it, I could confidently predict it is far less than the issue PLCE bergen as well.
I agree on the Butyl Nylon- it is oustanding, and amazingly light. This whole bergen with the frame weighs infinitely less than my Lowe Saracen, and although I haven't actually weighed it, I could confidently predict it is far less than the issue PLCE bergen as well.
The frame looks like the old external frames on the Karrimor Annapurna series of packs. I remember them from years back; they were pretty comfortable back then in 70s and early 80s.
It looks to be a real workhorse of a pack. I hope you'll use it - it's crying out to be trudged across wide open spaces! I'd be interested in some more pictures if you can manage them, purely to compare it with the Swedish LK70 I've finally finished tarting up with MOLLE straps and belt.
It looks to be a real workhorse of a pack. I hope you'll use it - it's crying out to be trudged across wide open spaces! I'd be interested in some more pictures if you can manage them, purely to compare it with the Swedish LK70 I've finally finished tarting up with MOLLE straps and belt.
I've just had a look at this link showing the annapurna frame- it does look similar, but there are a couple of differences. The arctic bergen straps fit to the pack, not the frame, and I think the arctic bergen frame is a touch longer: http://maceachain.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/classic-simplicity.html
I'll try to get more/better pictures!
Good job they are pre SA80 sack -- you'd fall flat on your face with an SA80 trying to do the "nop waiste belt" lean
It looks a bit like many of the civilian frames from the ough is how the 1970s (apart from the color obviosly) Especially the way the frame mounts into sleeves on the pack. A big difference I can see though is the straps mounting to the pack rather than the frame as you said. I cand definitely say, "I LIKE IT!!" You may want to (and rightly so) but as has been said, it screams to be used. Great find!
Good find Nolightweight- that makes very interesting reading actually. I now know from the SASS catalogue that I need to aquire three padded straps for the back (I had presumed there must be something). From the photo of the SASS modded Canoe Bergen, I note that these look to be the standard issue back straps of old for the PRC351/SAS bergen/GS bergen frame. I don't suppose anyone has any of these kicking around looking for a swap?!
Heh heh! There's a reason they don't use them anymore! Monstrously uncomfortable! Mind you, external frame still one of the better ways to carry big loads over distance.
Nice to see SLRs again! Wonder how many had the legendary 'matchstick full-auto field conversion'...? Gotta love 7.62. The reason they are pointing at themselves is because you would be thrashed within an inch of your life to have the tip of the barrel in the dirt! Switch round in the chopper - business end faces floor so you don't shoot rotors through. Unless safety off, round in chamber and unfortunate lean on trigger, unlikely the weapon will go off any situation. Now, the Sten, on the other hand....
Nice to see SLRs again! Wonder how many had the legendary 'matchstick full-auto field conversion'...? Gotta love 7.62. The reason they are pointing at themselves is because you would be thrashed within an inch of your life to have the tip of the barrel in the dirt! Switch round in the chopper - business end faces floor so you don't shoot rotors through. Unless safety off, round in chamber and unfortunate lean on trigger, unlikely the weapon will go off any situation. Now, the Sten, on the other hand....
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