Bushcraft PLCE webbing

[jonajuna]

OK, as someone who's frequently had difficulty with the rules and conventions of social interaction myself, let me offer some free advice... Whilst jibbing is a common means of re-enforcing social bonds within an established group of friends / colleagues, it's rarely a good way to enter an ongoing conversation amongst a group of people you've never spoken to before - that usually just gets people's backs up, online or off. Try it in the pub sometime and see how you fare if you don't believe me.

i do it all the time, never had a smack yet

but then i dont normally frequent places that are cliquey and exclusive of others

ive acknowledged that sniggers are not of use here, and i have said i wont continue with them, ive comprimised but others still harping on

where does the problem lie in that situation

 

[John Fenna]

Don't peepz.

Play nice

Always good advice

 

[rik_uk3]

Come on people, give jonajuna a break. I think some of you have been a bit harsh on what he said. While he may not have written in the 'touchy feely' tone that seems to be demanded here he said nothing wrong he was just voicing his opinion. I know from my experience here that it upsets some if you paddle upstream when the rest are going with the flow but to call the guy a troll or hitting the ignore button is (based upon what he said) a bit out of order, verging on silly even.

We are supposed to be responsible people here but unless we allow members to disagree this forum will suffer to the point where members will be afraid to voice a view.

 

[Toddy]

i do it all the time, never had a smack yet

but then i dont normally frequent places that are cliquey and exclusive of others

ive acknowledged that sniggers are not of use here, and i have said i wont continue with them, ive comprimised but others still harping on

where does the problem lie in that situation

I think different forums have different attitudes to certain things.
Like swearing, agressive arguments, slagging and trolling, legalities and the posts that accompany them.
Does that make them cliquey ? I do think it makes those who don't share those attitudes appear to be out of place though. The conversations I have here are different in tone from, say, British Blades, but it doesn't mean I can't be comfortable there too.

Just my 2p's worth.

cheers,
Toddy

p.s. Oh, and chest riggs.........not in this lifetime with my bustline

 

[gregorach]

We are supposed to be responsible people here but unless we allow members to disagree this forum will suffer to the point where members will be afraid to voice a view.

You only need to read this entire thread to see several examples of people being quite vociferously opposed to the idea of using webbing, without offending anyone, and being replied to courteously. He can disagree all he wants, but when it gets into open ridicule, a line has been crossed.

 

[phill_ue]

The bit that made me laugh was the guy talking about his "tackle" on a "bushcraft" forum.


Think about it!

 

[jonajuna]

and i have said that it was ott to have done so (sniggers remarks), i have made it clear that i take comments about penis size daily without offence (im not asking for your loving so what does it matter).... i have said i will not repeat the mistake and have demonstrated so with subsequent posts here

at the risk of further sanction, why is it those "remedial" actions are not accepted?

actaully, dont worry, its clear that i have over stepped the line but have tried to make amends yet am not being allowed to do so

the subsequent posts speak for themselves

"let go of your anger young Skywalker, it will lead to the dark side"

for those i have offended that cannot or will not see my remedy, please put me on your ignore list; else i will feel i have to tippytoe through every and any conversation for fear of causing further offence

 

[gregorach]

I accept your apology. Happy?

 

[jonajuna]

thank you. and my apologies again for causing such a high level of offence

 

[John Fenna]

I was told you are not a Troll and have apologised to all concerned - so I have taken you off the ignore list - happy bunny?

 

[phill_ue]

Better than Eastenders, this! Can't wait for the next episode!

 

[John Fenna]

Anything is better than Eastenders!
Now - PLCE webbing anyone?

 

[phill_ue]

Anything is better than Eastenders!
Now - PLCE webbing anyone?

That is a fair point and well presented!

PLCE is IMO nasty compared to 58 pattern. The canvas allows easy repair and modifications on 58 pattern gear, it looks OK too and not overtly military.

 

[John Fenna]

I have been known to use 2 PLCE (green not DPM)utility or waterbottle pouches on the waistbelt of a Snugpak Response Pak under the Side Pocket + yoke daysack configuration of a Karrimor or Snugpack bergan, as a capacious daysack.
This was used when I was leading expeds in Thailand and South Africa and proved very comfortable and versatile as when I had to revert to wearing my main pack the daysack reverted to being side pockets and my response pack was worn to the front with "the office" ready to hand, while the pouches were moved to the front or top of the pack.
The response pak and pouches is sometimes used with my Bison Bushcraft pack if I need to carry a bit extra kit than will fit in the pack alone.
The 58 canvas just takes too long to dry out IMHO - it rains on me every trip - or so it seems!

 

[phill_ue]

I have been known to use 2 PLCE (green not DPM)utility or waterbottle pouches on the waistbelt of a Snugpak Response Pak under the Side Pocket + yoke daysack configuration of a Karrimor or Snugpack bergan, as a capacious daysack.
This was used when I was leading expeds in Thailand and South Africa and proved very comfortable and versatile as when I had to revert to wearing my main pack the daysack reverted to being side pockets and my response pack was worn to the front with "the office" ready to hand, while the pouches were moved to the front or top of the pack.
The response pak and pouches is sometimes used with my Bison Bushcraft pack if I need to carry a bit extra kit than will fit in the pack alone.
The 58 canvas just takes too long to dry out IMHO - it rains on me every trip - or so it seems!

Fabsil!

 

[al21]

Well Jona, you clearly have serious objections to webbing, fair enough, not something I share, but there you go. Thanks for taking the time to suggest some useful alternatives.

Al

 

[John Fenna]

I could never afford enough!
Seems that the canvas drinks 1 gallon per squre inch - or more!
I may try it again as at present I have some useful size (kidney pouches) bits just sitting around unloved....

 

[jonajuna]

Well Jona, you clearly have serious objections to webbing, fair enough, not something I share, but there you go. Thanks for taking the time to suggest some useful alternatives.

Al

not serious, don't really care that much as i don't wear it so all those "concerns" harm me not

as for what it "might" do to the image of us hobbyists who like to spend time outdoors, outside of my control

i'm reluctant to say anything else however

glad you like my suggestions of alternatives. seems i am not the only one that feels alternatives to army issue is to be favoured, much of the armed forces seem to as well what with all this plce/molle compatible "aftermarket" kit on sale

 

[RAPPLEBY2000]

This is getting ridiculous!!

obviously jonajuna apologies accepted etc etc
but it just surprises me how a piece of kit evoke so much hatred and malice?

as for what it "might" do to the image of us hobbyists who like to spend time outdoors, outside of my control
i'm reluctant to say anything else however

Like what? wanna-be soldier?
if i dressed head to foot in camo with camo webbing, Bergen face paint and replica gun? I guess that would look like a wanna-be!
not someone that wears webbing with civilian clothes I often wear my webbing with jeans! not exactly military dress.
I've never been approached by a policeman or anyone else for that matter about what I have in my webbing.

ive used 58 patt webbing ive used plce webbing ive used privately bought chest webbing.i dont do that job anymore so ill never were it again.sorry but this kit has no place in bushcraft.just carry your kit in a daysac.dont try to look like somthing your not!

i suggest you read the whole thread, as i pointed out i too have served in the army, i too was issued 58" webbing.
I partly use webbing because it's comfortable and partly because it does a job for me very well.

the point I've pointed over and over and over again it's personal choice, and really not something to get worked up about

as is always the case with webbing, it always comes down to looks/opinions.

A lot of Bushcrafting and bushcrafting kit is "thinking out of the box" so why should webbing not be in the same list of useful kit? fashion isn't an issue, etc etc

 

[jonajuna]

i suggest you read the whole thread, as i pointed out i too have served in the army, i too was issued 58" webbing.

please qualify that by saying it was the TA in the 80's else you may offend some that served in the Regular Army

I am not aware of any TA unit (other than maybe 21/23 SAS) that saw active service between Korea (end '53) and the first gulf war('91 and then only medics etc). Only since the overstretch into Iraq and Afghanistan have the TA actually been seen as a valid component of the armed forces

even i, as a junior leader in the mid eighties, saw the TA of that day as 'Toy Army' what with my basic training comprising of 13 weeks full time, 24 hours per day (if they saw fit) 7 days per week (other than church) training, rather than the 6 weekends and two weeks top up ie 26 days as opposed to 91..... and i wasn't infantry reg..... they did 18 weeks i believe.

its that sort of statement, "i served in the army" that led to me form my belief about why some here maybe wearing webbing...... it maybe a poorly informed belief, but surely somewhat understandable?

no?