Bushcraft PLCE webbing

[jonajuna]

the venom in which my personal opinions and observations have been recieved, suggest a raw nerve hit maybe?

if i *snigger* at a written apparent obsession with militaria, imagine what those in the real rather than virtual world think?

before anyone says, "i dont care what others think" you do, we all do, is part of social conformity. even those that buck against the norm, care

as i made clear, of course there is a place for surplus kit, but for a CEFO setup to be worn for a walk in the woods...... its just wannabe, soz, nothing else for it

only my opinion of course, not asking or expecting anyone to want it, accept it or even like it, but if you go on the interweb and say "this is what i do" expect someone to have something to say about it

peace and out

 

[John Fenna]

Second person ever to make it to my "ignore list" - This life is too short to listen to those who are so self opinionated and rude!

 

[jonajuna]

your loss John, i find that even those i dont like, at times have things worthy of listening to.

but lifes to short to worry about those that are so narrow minded as to "ignore" people on the basis of one disagreed opinion.

diversity of opinion is what makes the world such an interesting place

 

[phill_ue]

I couldn't wear webbing, it was uncomfortable when I was paid to! The pouches are a good size and useful though, nothing stopping you getting some pouches and attaching them to your pack with clips, studs or straps to get handy kit easier to hand.

 

[scrogger]

Jona I dont think its the point that you have your opinions, I think its because you are openly ridiculing other peoples own choices which is not really needed to be fair. You are entitiled to your own opinion but it would help if you got it across without the "sniggering" bit. JMHO!

Andy

 

[jonajuna]

Jona I dont think its the point that you have your opinions, I think its because you are openly ridiculing other peoples own choices which is not really needed to be fair. You are entitiled to your own opinion but it would help if you got it across without the "sniggering" bit. JMHO!

Andy

Okies, Scrogger. i will refrain from doing so in the future.

 

[gregorach]

the venom in which my personal opinions and observations have been recieved, suggest a raw nerve hit maybe?

Venom? That's your idea of "venom"? You're accusing people you've never met of having penis size issues and an unhealthy obsession with the military, and when you're politely asked to wind your neck in, it's "venom"?

I guess someone was at the back of line when they were handing out self-awareness...

 

[John Fenna]

Jona I dont think its the point that you have your opinions, I think its because you are openly ridiculing other peoples own choices which is not really needed to be fair. You are entitiled to your own opinion but it would help if you got it across without the "sniggering" bit. JMHO!

Andy

I have no issue with people having opinions - I do with down right rudeness and trolling!

 

[John Fenna]

Venom? That's your idea of "venom"? You're accusing people you've never met of having penis size issues and an unhealthy obsession with the military, and when you're politely asked to wind your neck in, it's "venom"?

I guess someone was at the back of line when they were handing out self-awareness...

Got that right!

 

[rcs]

I wont be ignoring you, i think you've been a bit harsh, but like you say, on the Internet were all entitled to our opinions. For me webbing is a great idea for bushcraft IF you really don't mind narrow minded folk thinking your a wannabe.

I'd rather not wear it for that reason alone, if I'm out in the woods I'd rather people felt comfortable enough to approach me to see what I'm up to. I think if you look military people won't be so willing to approach you for a chat.

regards,
Rob

 

[scrogger]

I agree with you John wholeheartedly. I was purely meaning no one on here would say dont make your opinions felt. I just dont think Jona went the right way about it. I normally stay well clear of these types of discussions for this very reason.

Andy

 

[al21]

do you need military webbing to achieve this or will a "bumbag" type waist pack do the job? or those single sling backpacks which swing round to your front easy for access.

I'm not sure if I need it or not. That's why I placed my ramblings on this thread. I can't say I get on with bum bags, maybe it's my svelte figure and racing snake hips, but I seem to have to be cutting myself in two to prevent the things sliding down. I have one of the Finnish respirator bags which I like and use a fair bit, but i'm not keen on putting weight on one shoulder at a time. I have an asymetric back which causes me lower back pain at times and I'd rather not exacerbate the problem.

i wear stuff on my normal leather belt such as mulittool, phone/gps, camera pouch and a waterbottle in a insulated carrier, the stuff that goes into my backpack are the items that do not need easy access throughout the day, such as spare clothing, cooker, tarp etc

how about a fishermans/photographers vest? a smock with decent pockets, combined with "cargo" trousers and so on

I've tried stuff on a normal belt before, but find it a nuisance which chilling out around a fire. Webbing would be simple to remove.

I live in lightweights and the cargo pockets suffer the same problems that having stuff on your belt does, it all becomes uncomfortable when you chill out.

The fishermans/photographers vest idea would be quite good, but when I've looked at them they seem to be all tiny pockets. So I would expect to end up spending lots of time customising an already expensive item to make it work for me.

plenty of military kit is very useful in civvy outdoor pursuits, webbing is just kak..... built to serve a particular purpose down to a cost and to be resistent to the trial of warfare.... civvy kit serves civvy needs far better

What's the matter, were you frightened by someone wearing webbing as a child?

Seriously though, I do see partly what you're saying. Having been to parts of the world where you get told not to wear surplus kit because you are likely to (a) get arrested. Or (b) get yourself shot. I do understand why some wouldn't want their kit to be comprised of military kit.

Still, I've only been experimenting with outdoor kit for thirty five years, I don't intend to rush out and and spend cash without a little research.

Al

 

[jonajuna]

okies fair dos, maybe i have been a bit harsh. i did not realise that hardened outdoor manly types would be so sensitive to some jibbing

btw, i drive a mondeo and am a male nurse, i hear jokes about penis size/gender role every day, i dont have a complex.... and im shooting blanks

im self aware but also self assured enough to not actually care if someone thinks i have a small penis, after all its only my wife that has seen it in the last 20 years (other than the doc and nurse at my snip) and she has always laughed at it

 

[al21]

Wow, been quite a lot of comments since I started typing my last post. Must learn to type faster!

 

[John Fenna]

I agree with you John wholeheartedly. I was purely meaning no one on here would say dont make your opinions felt. I just dont think Jona went the right way about it. I normally stay well clear of these types of discussions for this very reason.

Andy

I agree - the man is entitled to his opinions.
The way he voiced them is another matter and this alone made me conclude that I did not want to be involved with what looks to me like posting just to start a fight - hence the ignore list!
I come here to look, learn and be as helpful as I can, not to start wars with people who get off on being abusive.
Cricky - I dont even like full webbing much ( though individual items work well ) but see no reason to NOT use it if you find it works for you!
I prefer the "mountainman" look myself....

 

[gregorach]

I'd rather not wear it for that reason alone, if I'm out in the woods I'd rather people felt comfortable enough to approach me to see what I'm up to. I think if you look military people won't be so willing to approach you for a chat.

regards,
Rob

I really don't think most people look that closely. Besides, it's not like military surplus / camo clothing isn't widely accepted, even fashionable. There's lots of people wandering around with DPM rucksacks too, and nobody ever give them any hassle... Me, I don't wear DPM, but there's plenty of folks who do, and in the freakin' supermarket at that! It's one of those weird double-standards - you can wear all the DPM you like and no-one bats an eye, you can even wear pouches as part of a belt rig, but as soon as you attach a yoke, you're a "wannabe soldier"! No, it's just that if I try attaching a waterbottle pouch to my belt without a yoke, my trousers fall down...

I've also noticed that as soon as you put on a woollen plaid shirt, people start cracking lumberjack jokes. Heaven help you if you're wearing braces at the same time...

 

[scrogger]

LOL dunc.

I saw your belt kit at the Achray meet and can totally understand were your coming from with its usefulness. Its not for me but as John says I would never even begin to
pull it to pieces.

Bloody hell if we all had the same tastes in everything it would be a sad old world!!

 

[gregorach]

okies fair dos, maybe i have been a bit harsh. i did not realise that hardened outdoor manly types would be so sensitive to some jibbing

OK, as someone who's frequently had difficulty with the rules and conventions of social interaction myself, let me offer some free advice... Whilst jibbing is a common means of re-enforcing social bonds within an established group of friends / colleagues, it's rarely a good way to enter an ongoing conversation amongst a group of people you've never spoken to before - that usually just gets people's backs up, online or off. Try it in the pub sometime and see how you fare if you don't believe me.

 

[Ahjno]

Don't peepz.

Play nice

 

[jonajuna]

What's the matter, were you frightened by someone wearing webbing as a child?

yeah, me, in the army circa 86, IMO kak then and kak now. glad i didnt hang around long

Seriously though, I do see partly what you're saying. Having been to parts of the world where you get told not to wear surplus kit because you are likely to (a) get arrested. Or (b) get yourself shot. I do understand why some wouldn't want their kit to be comprised of military kit.

for me (/end qualifying statement) webbing is pants and full rigs look odd in civvy street, could be deemed threatening by others, could lead to inferences that our enjoyment of the outdoors has a more sinister connotation (bunker digging survivalists) and our needs can be better served by combos of other kit. the issue with belt born kit being a pain when chilling in eves can be overcome by wearing another belt for your kit... a form of webbing with civvy pouches and some funky (and bushcraft sauve) leather possibles pouch . if the issue is one of keeping it up, just slip the loop through your trouser belt (the same applies to bumbag arrangments)

Still, I've only been experimenting with outdoor kit for thirty five years, I don't intend to rush out and and spend cash without a little research.

Al

youve got 5 years on me but i still think other solutions are superiour to webbing for all sorts of reasons