As with all complex issues, it's all too easy to simplify them so that they become more manageable, but in doing so, we view it from a very myopic perspective and can become blinkered to some very important factors.
...People are financially rich or poor because of the decisions they have taken in their life...
I think its more to do with issues of land ownership than `rich or poor` Tripitaka
As with all complex issues, it's all too easy to simplify them so that they become more manageable, but in doing so, we view it from a very myopic perspective and can become blinkered to some very important factors.
Of course some people are 'financially poor' because of the decisions made by the 'financially rich'
Tripitaka wrote,
''2) Why are "the poor" so bitter and resentful of "the rich"? I was born into a very poor family and made a decision at an early age to change that for myself and my descendents. I have done that; I don't consider myself to be rich but I'm certainly not poor in financial terms. I have worked hard, been smart and taken every opportunity regardless of the sacrifice. I have suffered setbacks and recovered from them; had good fortune and invested through sharing with others. People are financially rich or poor because of the decisions they have taken in their life. An emotive subject for sure but you can't have it all.''
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That is just so not true on many levels, 1. The old government cliche if you work hard, so people who are in the armed forces,or who are miners,or road sweepers dont work hard?
well i think they do but they certainly are'nt rich, its used now to fund city wages, eg this banker works hard or this exec works hard, by that they mean has lunches in top hotels,
travels the world first class,etc etc sits behind a large desk and makes decisions good or bad that affect us all,and gets paid a kings ransom for doing so, yep maybe works long hours but hard work? please define.I worked nights for 6yrs 5 nights a week 12hrs a night till being made redundant, i now look after our 3 young (all under 8) children, and my misses was lucky to get a good job, but she works 11hrs a day 5 to six days a week . I think she and in the past, i worked hard but are we rich NO, millions of people all have this kind of life and for you to say that if you work hard you will be rich, WELL ITS A BIT RICH! to say the least. Most people who are mega rich either come from money or have had lucky breaks, a very small percentage come from working hard, you ask anyone who works do they work hard in there job or do they just doss about, i think you know what answer you''ll get, and if you dont pull your weight i cant see many employers keeping you on, lets face it theres plenty to take your job. sorry posted before seeing sandbenders post, i agree with the lords land owners thing most now sit in priveliged postions because they distant relatives either took the right side in a battle or that they where bullies.
Tripitaka wrote,
''2) Why are "the poor" so bitter and resentful of "the rich"? I was born into a very poor family and made a decision at an early age to change that for myself and my descendents. I have done that; I don't consider myself to be rich but I'm certainly not poor in financial terms. I have worked hard, been smart and taken every opportunity regardless of the sacrifice. I have suffered setbacks and recovered from them; had good fortune and invested through sharing with others. People are financially rich or poor because of the decisions they have taken in their life. An emotive subject for sure but you can't have it all.''
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That is just so not true on many levels, 1. The old government cliche if you work hard, so people who are in the armed forces,or who are miners,or road sweepers dont work hard?
well i think they do but they certainly are'nt rich, its used now to fund city wages, eg this banker works hard or this exec works hard, by that they mean has lunches in top hotels,
travels the world first class,etc etc sits behind a large desk and makes decisions good or bad that affect us all,and gets paid a kings ransom for doing so, yep maybe works long hours but hard work? please define.
I worked nights for 6yrs 5 nights a week 12hrs a night till being made redundant, i now look after our 3 young (all under 8) children, and my misses was lucky to get a good job, but she works 11hrs a day 5 to six days a week . I think she and in the past, i worked hard but are we rich NO, millions of people all have this kind of life and for you to say that if you work hard you will be rich, WELL ITS A BIT RICH! to say the least.
Most people who are mega rich either come from money or have had lucky breaks, a very small percentage come from working hard, you ask anyone who works do they work hard in there job or do they just doss about, i think you know what answer you''ll get, and if you dont pull your weight i cant see many employers keeping you on, lets face it theres plenty to take your job. sorry posted before seeing sandbenders post, i agree with the lords land owners thing most now sit in priveliged postions because they distant relatives either took the right side in a battle or that they where bullies.
Thanks for this post mate as I am a serving member of the forces and for many years did not own property due to the frenetic lifestyle of being in the RAF. We eventually bought our own home and sold it due to the fact that being fragmented from my family was adversely affecting our lives. So we sold and now are back in families quarters. So I have not been lucky enough to buy when property was cheap and still own a nice fat lump of capital.
Also with regard to the armed forces salary, well if you calculate the capitation rate of my hours worked, (especially on operations,) , I barely make the minimum wage and I am at a reasonable rank. Junior airman and soldiers are paid less than minimum wage, eg, a parking ticket issuer for any local authority gets paid more than them, and most people when you go to work don't actively try to kill you!
I have worked hard all my life and am NOT rich so Tripitaka you theory is wrong mate.
How so?
Where to begin?
A nearby district mayor is in prison awaiting trial for engaging in dodgy property deals, city owned residential blocks were sold off to private companies for demolition or 'urban regeneration'.
The properties were the property of the district and weren't his to sell.
The properties weren't sold to the highest bidder or the to the firm with the best plan, instead they were sold to the companies that gave him the biggest back hander.
Many of the properties were of cultural and historical importance (the Budapest Jewish Quarter - google it), out of desire to make money as quickly as possible some of those properties were simply demolished.
People who'd lived in these houses since the 1940's were evicted, some are now homeless.
So there is an example of a very rich (and foreign) property developer using his wealth to not only destroy the lives of little people but also to smash irreplaceable buildings of great cultural worth.
Tripitaka, you mentioned that You had worked hard to get to where you are,see line below.
'' I have worked hard, been smart and taken every opportunity regardless of the sacrifice''
to me following the gist of your sentence you seemed to be implying that if you work hard then you get wealthy, this seems to be a buzz word with politcians these days as such its must be a lie , because thats all they do!
Not everyone could be a city banker or a C.E.O etc otherwise there'd be no workforce to do the jobs, everyone contrbutes as such all should be rewared for that contribution, with not such a very large clear divide between those that do and make the company etc work,and those that tell them what to do.
2) Why are "the poor" so bitter and resentful of "the rich"? I was born into a very poor family and made a decision at an early age to change that for myself and my descendents. I have done that; I don't consider myself to be rich but I'm certainly not poor in financial terms. I have worked hard, been smart and taken every opportunity regardless of the sacrifice. I have suffered setbacks and recovered from them; had good fortune and invested through sharing with others. People are financially rich or poor because of the decisions they have taken in their life. An emotive subject for sure but you can't have it all.
Only a few people can move from poverty to wealth. If they all did it then all the existing wealthy people would have to change places with them or the hole system would collapse.
So what does the wrong choice constitute? to me thats veering on the realms of luck, like i said in a earlier post most rich come from rich back grounds, or have a lucky break, to be punished to a life of poverty and struggle because you made a wrong choice seems a bit harsh, and what about my post above your last that not everone can do the top jobs or there'd be no work force as such the top guys wouldnt be top for very long,they are only there co's of the poor, and my god would i like to see it the other way round,(aint likely to happen, and cheers for the apology as that did come across bad to me and lit my fuse!)
You posted before me hence you sort of answered the second question all be it in a slighty sarky way, if only it was that easy eh?