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I agree there are currently barriers to hydroponics but the Japanese seem to be finding solutions using thinner films of the materials. Many farmers pump water and plough huge amounts of fertilisers and pesticides into the au naturelle mk1 field so im guessing a vertical farm in the city would be comparable with a horizontal one in the country.

Could you imagine the size of poles youd need for your runner beans to compete with a farmscraper :D:D
 

British Red

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I'm pretty sure commercially viable hydroponic set ups can be found in lofts and spare bedrooms all over the country
:)

Well indeed - rare and unusual crops ;)

They do grow more cheaply in the Mk I field though. Wonder why people don't do that? Actually, in a field that was kept secret near Bushwacker Bob's place is a huge field of "papaver somniferum" - all official for medical reasons. Beautiful when in flower.
 

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You missed this one

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Goatboy

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Well indeed - rare and unusual crops ;)

They do grow more cheaply in the Mk I field though. Wonder why people don't do that? Actually, in a field that was kept secret near Bushwacker Bob's place is a huge field of "papaver somniferum" - all official for medical reasons. Beautiful when in flower.
Now there's something I don't understand. We've poured millions and expended the lives of troops in places like Helmand where poppies amongst other "medicinal" herbs are grown (in fact a huge proportion of the worlds supply) and yet we're growing it at home and burning the stuff in the fields. Why not pay the tribes to grow it as a legal crop, removing the illegality and terrorist connections whilst allowing us to have medical grade drugs at a cheap price.
 

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I've not understood that either. It was a beautiful sight though! There was someone doing...something...in the same area with fields of borage. Like a violet haze over acres. I recall a beekeeper had a few hives on it...I wonder what pure borage honey tastes like?
 

Toddy

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Weird, or so I'm told.....mono crop honey lacks a lot somehow, he said.
Poppy honey ? hmmm, I think I'd rather not. Sounds a bit too much like the Himalayan one from the poisonous rhodie kind of thing, for me to be all that happy with it.

I like seeing the poppies grow, and I like the seeds on my breads, but the smell of the fresh plant clings like slugslie :yuck:

cheers,
M
 

Toddy

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Weird, or so I'm told.....mono crop honey lacks a lot somehow, he said.
Poppy honey ? hmmm, I think I'd rather not. Sounds a bit too much like the Himalayan one from the poisonous rhodie kind of thing, for me to be all that happy with it.

I like seeing the poppies grow, and I like the seeds on my breads, but the smell of the fresh plant clings like slugslime :yuck:

cheers,
M
 
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British Red

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A lot of commercial "set" honey is monocrop - especially oilseed rape. Lacks something I agree.
 

Toddy

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Knew I'd read it somewhere....this is from Wikipedia though.

"There have been famous episodes of inebriation of humans from consuming toxic honey throughout history. For example, honey produced from nectar of Rhododendron ponticum (also known as Azalea pontica) contains alkaloids that are poisonous to humans but do not harm bees.[34] Xenophon, Aristotle, Strabo, Pliny the Elder, and Columella all document the results of eating this "maddening" honey.[35] Honey from these plants poisoned Roman troops in the first century BC under Pompey the Great when they were attacking the Heptakometes in Turkey. The Roman soldiers became delirious and nauseous after eating the toxic honey, leading to an easy defeat.[36][37]
Honey produced from the nectar of Andromeda flowers contains grayanotoxins which can paralyze the limbs, and eventually the diaphragm and result in death.[34][38] Honey obtained from Kalmia latifolia, the calico bush, mountain laurel or spoon-wood of the northern United States, and allied species such as sheep laurel (Kalmia angustifolia) can produce sickness or even death.[34][39] The nectar of the "wharangi bush", Melicope ternata, in New Zealand also produces toxic honey, and this has been fatal.[40] The dangers of toxic honey were also well-known among the Pre-Columbian residents of the Yucatán Peninsula, though this was honey produced by stingless bees, not by honey bees which are not native to the Americas.[41] Bee nectar collection from Datura plants in Mexico and Hungary, belladonna flowers, henbane (Hyoscamus niger) plants from Hungary, Serjania lethalis from Brazil, Gelsemium sempervirens from the American Southwest, and Coriaria arborea from New Zealand[42] can all result in toxic honey,[43] as can honey made from other toxic plants such as oleander.[44] Narcotic opium honey has also been reported from honey made in areas where opium poppy cultivation is widespread.[45]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bees_and_toxic_chemicals

cheers,
M
 

EdS

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I've not understood that either. It was a beautiful sight though! There was someone doing...something...in the same area with fields of borage. Like a violet haze over acres. I recall a beekeeper had a few hives on it...I wonder what pure borage honey tastes like?

papaver somniferum -- easy enough to grow if you get good weather. Harvest a few grams of raw opium from the garden crop a few years ago.

Borage honey is nice - big fields of it and linseed in the East Riding
 

EdS

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Rhododendron is supposed to have narcotic effects as well.

"Xenophon described the odd behavior of Greek soldiers after having consumed honey in a village surrounded by Rhododendron ponticum during the march of the Ten Thousand in 401 BC. Pompey's soldiers reportedly suffered lethal casualties following the consumption of honey made from Rhododendron deliberately left behind by Pontic forces in 67 BC during the Third Mithridatic War. Later, it was recognized that honey resulting from these plants has a slightly hallucinogenic and laxative effect.[SUP][26][/SUP] The suspect rhododendrons are Rhododendron ponticum and Rhododendron luteum (formerlyAzalea pontica), both found in northern Asia Minor. Eleven similar cases have been documented in Istanbul, Turkey during the 1980s"

http://www.academia.edu/966648/Mad_Honey_

something bee keepers around here know about
 

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