Met office "faking" climate data

[Chris]

I am getting Pigeon Chess vibes, and not really sure there's much point in continuing with someone so deeply down the antiscientific rabbit hole. You carry on believing whatever makes you feel warm and cosy. Anyway, that's it from me here and I should've really known better when you started out by comparing scientists to Nazis. So that's on me.

 

[William_Montgomery]

As for trust in these things, all I can say is that having worked in the industry, yes I personally trust the data. And I say that having no love for the industry either. Just experience.

Which industry did you/do you work in? If you don't mind me asking a personal question.

 

[gibson 175]

Surely there is no higher authority on this subject than the words of the almighty Bob Dylan's Subterannean Homesick Blues. Altogether now...
Keep a clean nose
Watch the plain clothes
You don’t need a weatherman
To know which way the wind blows

 

[XSR101]

Global Warming in the Pipeline for Earth. Proff James E Hansen, formerly NASA Jet Propulsion Lab. Paper published 2 November 2023.

"Consistent analysis of temperature over the full Cenozoic era—including ‘slow’ feedbacks by ice sheets and trace gases—supports this sensitivity and implies that CO2 was 300–350 ppm in the Pliocene and about 450 ppm at transition to a nearly ice-free planet, exposing unrealistic lethargy of ice sheet models. Equilibrium global warming for today’s GHG amount is 10°C, which is reduced to 8°C by today’s human-made aerosols."

Human made aerosols are things like soot. During the pandemic lockdown caused a spike in temperature due to the loss of aerosols.

CO2 is currently at 426ppm.

You can read the whole paper here if you like:

This data is not based on modelling.

https://academic.oup.com/oocc/article/3/1/kgad008/7335889

 

[XSR101]

The shutdown of the AMOC will please those who thought we were heading for an ice age. For a little while.

 

[Hammock_man]

Much of BcUK offers a learning experience. This does not.

Oh so very true

 

[TLM]

Hmm... rereading this on a drizzly day.

There is a known record of Nazi scientists but that does not mean all scientists are National Socialists. Assuming that no scientists has an bias agenda is with high probability wrong like with high probability there are scientists with no conscious bias.

Shutting down the Gulf Stream would be slightly catastrophic.

I am old enough to remember when first it was: we closing in onto a new ice age, then it became earth is going to fry and finally somebody changed that into the safe bet of climate change. We have a very good record that climate changes all the time.

It might well exist but I have not seen anybody try to part the change into natural and human induced ones. Also in all fields of science there have been erroneous papers it would we the first if climate study is one without any.

 

[Tengu]

Yes.

I would be more worried about pollution and poor resource management.

 

[XSR101]

Having a basic understanding of the science behind the greenhouse effect which helps maintain life on earth & the addition of CO2 methane & from anthropogenic climate chang, mainly from the oil industry & industrial cattle farming for fast food which has occurred during the last 300 years.

You could add ice melt, on mountain glaciers, flooding from destructive rainfall.

I travel to parts of southern Europe by Train for holidays sometimes. A famous dr died from heat exposure last year.

Understanding climate change, it's risks and landscapes that trap heat is a survival tool. I think you can ignore it if you like, but it could be a mistake to do so.

 

[XSR101]

"scientific studies have proved that at least 24 "previously impossible" heatwaves have struck the planet and killed people across North America, Europe, and Asia. Worryingly, additional studies have also demonstrated that global heating is responsible for making 550 heatwaves, floods, storms, droughts, and wildfires significantly worse, leading to the premature deaths of millions of people, including thousands of newborn babies."

There's a lot to learn about the new earth we now live on. It's no longer friendly to human civilisation & agriculture. Parts of the planet are more hostile to humans than they have ever been in human history. The speed in which this has taken place is unprecedented, and on a parallel with a nearly earth object impact. Don't look up? A bit dramatic maybe. 2024 was 1.6°C

I always thought bushcraft & Survival skills were about situational awareness? Maybe not?

'Impossible' heatwaves take the lives of thousands, leaving experts dumbfounded: 'We are humans ... we have children'

"Some say climate scientists shouldn't paint a picture of doom and gloom."

www.yahoo.com

 

[XSR101]

Just because it's raining outside somewhere in Britain does not mean that an "impossible heatwave" can't happen in USA. Because that is what is happening right now.

Climate scientist have ceased using models because they were inaccurate. Scientists are now observing phenomenon in real time, the common comment is "sooner than the models predicted" & "sooner than expected".

As for soot & air pollution? It would be good to clean up the atmosphere, maybe? But possibly problematic. The international maritime authoriy banned sulfur in shipping fuel in 2020. In 2024 sea surface temperatures rose dramatically causing a global heatwave.

Clouds might not be such a bad thing after all.

Study: Shipping's Sulfur Cut Caused Worldwide Heat Wave

Average temperatures have soared off the charts over the lastr year, catching climate scientists by surprise. Climate models have long predicted an ac...

www.maritime-executive.com