Surplus Military cold weather & equipment

[Twodogs]

Looking at the date it was made 1970s ,,, it could be

 

[widu13]

That looks like the tent we used in the AMF in Norway in the late 80s. From memory we used Norgie stoves in them.

 

[Twodogs]

What stove was that mate , Wood burner ?

 

[widu13]

Yeah, a wood burner and we occasionally used a kero heater, neither of which we took with us so I'm guessing they were our norgie guests.

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[Twodogs]

All good info Cheers,,

I know it was a long time ago but do you remember what type the kero heaters were ?? were thay POD heaters ? I know the Swedish Military used them ,

http://www.base-camp.co.uk/Wick stoves lanterns & heaters/Pod picture.htm


Twodogs

 

[sasquatch]

Nice one Cliff! That's a blast from the past and a trip down memory lane, the 5 as well as 10 man ones right down to the wooden mallet. We never got to use stoves in them though Great tent, I'm sure you'll enjoy it! Thanks for sharing.

 

[widu13]

All good info Cheers,,

I know it was a long time ago but do you remember what type the kero heaters were ?? were thay POD heaters ? I know the Swedish Military used them ,

http://www.base-camp.co.uk/Wick stoves lanterns & heaters/Pod picture.htm


Twodogs

I really have no idea what they were, but they weren't PODs. They were about 10" tall by 12" wide. We VERY rarely used them as as we were concerned about the gas build up. Only used heaters/tent stoves in rear echelon, never on ex.

 

[Twodogs]

The next bit of military winter gear is a 1980s/90s issue Royal Marine issue short pulk ,

Came with the bar for sking not needed for me

The cover is fitted to the pulk with a good heavy duty zip and three tie downs ( the grab handles are a Wayland inspired mod , cheers Garry )

lashing point at the rear ,

Tie down straps are fitted inside the pulk to secure the load , all arms bergan gives a bit of scale ,

On the underside there are nylon runners these are pop riveted on and could be easly be replaced if needed

Come on folks you must have some military winter gear to post ,,, peak one stove , jagerkok ?? skis , goggles

Twodogs

 

[Twodogs]

Heres we go a usefull bit Military cold climate kit to keep the wrists warm ,

British Military issue " wristlets wool " ,,

Twodogs

 

[Retired Member southey]

Hmmm wrist-lets! that reminds me i must go replace mine

 

[launditch1]

I forgot i had these..1953 dated 'Trousers inner' .They are very thick wool, smooth on the outside and fluffy on the inside.They come with a lovely itchy wool gusset too!Remember hairy mary shirts?Same stuff.
This type of thing would have been i use in the later stages of the Korean war when we started to supply our troops with half decent cold weather gear, before that the Americans issued us with their stuff.
I do have some more related gear like the complete M51 clothing system..arctic canteen and cup..ww2 overwhites..early 'parka middle'..ect.

Im still kicking myself that i didnt buy a load of British ww2 snow gear from a junk shop..there was crampons, ice picks, snow shoes, hats, gloves...Of course it was all gone when i went back for it!

 

[Twodogs]

Nice one mate ,,, get the rest up ,


man thay look itchy ,,

 

[Andy BB]

...actually, the woolen wristlets are very comfortable. Maybe I'm just not allergic to scratchy wool!

(Ah - you're talking about the itchy gusset on the trousers.................)

 

[santaman2000]

I forgot i had these..1953 dated 'Trousers inner' .They are very thick wool, smooth on the outside and fluffy on the inside.They come with a lovely itchy wool gusset too!Remember hairy mary shirts?Same stuff.
This type of thing would have been i use in the later stages of the Korean war when we started to supply our troops with half decent cold weather gear, before that the Americans issued us with their stuff...

You were lucky then if you got US gear that was actually good. The US was woefully unprepared for the Korean War. None of our gear or weapons had been updated since the end of WWII. We sent an Army trained and equipped for occupation rather than combat. WWII bazookas had little effect on modern (at the time) Soviet tanks and all our troops suffered greatly from the Korean climate (think of "The Frozen Chosin")

Fortunately the North Koreans and Chicoms were generally as poorly equipped (although better armed) although we didn't learn for decades that they were near starvation (at least the Chicoms)

 

[andybysea]

Santaman,when you say the north koreans and Chicoms were better armed are you talking small arms? i thought they used mostly soviet ww2 weapons, like the Mosin Nagant,and the ppsh 41,degtyarev dp,etc etc and the Sabre was better aircraft than the mig,from what ive read, i used to work with a guy who was in the Black watch in Korea,and one of his many stories was about how he and his mates would ''liberate'' U.S. food store's as they were well under rationed at some point's, but the fun was cut short when a order was put out that those responsible or caught would be shot!

 

[Twodogs]

Bit of History thrown in as well ,,, love it ,

Twodogs

 

[santaman2000]

Santaman,when you say the north koreans and Chicoms were better armed are you talking small arms? i thought they used mostly soviet ww2 weapons, like the Mosin Nagant,and the ppsh 41,degtyarev dp,etc etc and the Sabre was better aircraft than the mig,from what ive read, i used to work with a guy who was in the Black watch in Korea,and one of his many stories was about how he and his mates would ''liberate'' U.S. food store's as they were well under rationed at some point's, but the fun was cut short when a order was put out that those responsible or caught would be shot!

I'm referring mostly to armor when I mention arms. As to small arms, the NK & Chicoms already had Soviet and Chicom SKS (a late WWII Soviet assault rifle) as well; although I'm not sure how prevelent they were. That was was what prompted the US to develop the M14 and later the M16. As far as I know food wasn't a problem on our side but as I said, we learned decades later that due to a famine in VChina the communist side was near starvation.

As you say we were well ahead of them in aviation although woefully short of bombs (after the Nuke was dropped conventional bomb production ceased as they were believed obsolete) and the guns we were putting on the aircraft (50 cal) weren't really adequate for dogfighting in jets whereas IIRC the Comunists had already made the switch to larger caliber cannons on their aircraft.

 

[andybysea]

Yep get you on the cannon in the mig, saw a good prog regarding these air battles over korea(all cgi) but well made with vet account's think its called ''Dogfights'',the food account was from a Brit perspective, this country alway's seems to start things on a shoestring budget. ps Sorry for the off topic wander.

 

[Twodogs]

Today we have a true classic bit of Military cold weather equipment .


Swedish Army issue Optimus 111 stove runs on Kero preheat with meths or preheating paste ,

Used as a section stove for all the cooking and melting needs .

Loads of user instructions,

And an Swedish Army ownership badge ,

This is a good touch to stop knackered troops losing bits , a chain on the control wheel and a self tapping screw though the flame ring .

Shown with the Swedish Army issue kettle out of the ten man cook kit ,

Well worth hunting down the 111 is a true classic ,

Twodogs

 

[Andy BB]

Ooh - interesting point about the self-tapper! I'll have to check mine to see if it has one.