What did you buy today?

[hughtrimble]

I bought it from Camping International

Is anyone aware of the advantage of the Expedition 12XL (1850 x 575 x 12mm) vs the Comfort 12XXL (1900 x 570 x 12mm)

The latter is very slightly longer, half the price, and lighter presumably because it doesn't have the brass eyelets. Am I missing something? Both five season, both made in Wales etc.

Multi Mat Extreme 12XL Foam Mat - Camping International

The Multimat Extreme 12 XL Foam Sleeping Mat,?offers extreme comfort and warmth yet remains incredibly lightweight (450g) making this season 5 mat ideal for expeditions and much colder climates. The durable and reliable Extreme foam mat range offers you the optimum combination of weight...

camping-intl.com

MultiMat Comfort 12XXL Roll Mat - Red - Camping International

Designed for Comfort and Practicality Multimat’s Comfort XL is the ideal choice for backpackers and campers on the move. Part of the Premium range, this mat delivers as much comfort as possible while remaining practical and easy to use. Key Features: Luxury Foam Sleeping Mat: Almost 50% thicker...

camping-intl.com

 

[Keith_Beef]

Is anyone aware of the advantage of the Expedition 12XL (1850 x 575 x 12mm) vs the Comfort 12XXL (1900 x 570 x 12mm)

The latter is very slightly longer, half the price, and lighter presumably because it doesn't have the brass eyelets. Am I missing something? Both five season, both made in Wales etc.

Multi Mat Extreme 12XL Foam Mat - Camping International

The Multimat Extreme 12 XL Foam Sleeping Mat,?offers extreme comfort and warmth yet remains incredibly lightweight (450g) making this season 5 mat ideal for expeditions and much colder climates. The durable and reliable Extreme foam mat range offers you the optimum combination of weight...

camping-intl.com

MultiMat Comfort 12XXL Roll Mat - Red - Camping International

Designed for Comfort and Practicality Multimat’s Comfort XL is the ideal choice for backpackers and campers on the move. Part of the Premium range, this mat delivers as much comfort as possible while remaining practical and easy to use. Key Features: Luxury Foam Sleeping Mat: Almost 50% thicker...

camping-intl.com

I'm not surprised that you can't decide which is better... the descriptions of the two products on that website are like chalk and cheese. One gives plenty of information, the other very little... just looking at the weight, one is described as "450g" and the other "less than 11 ounces" . One has a TOG rating, the other doesn't.

Yellow: 185 x 57.5 cm x 1.2 cm = 10638.7cm³ for 450g is, I think 42.29g per m³
Red: 190 x 57 cm x 1.2 cm = 12996cm³ for 311g is, I think 29.93g per m³

So the yellow one is 41% more dense than the red one.

 

[Chris]

Four tyres for the Landy, having realised I accidentally ordered the wrong ones yesterday and cancelled that order.

Going to try for a Halfords Trade membership today so that I can pick up a set of their advanced tools without it being so painful.

 

[hughtrimble]

I'm not surprised that you can't decide which is better... the descriptions of the two products on that website are like chalk and cheese. One gives plenty of information, the other very little... just looking at the weight, one is described as "450g" and the other "less than 11 ounces" . One has a TOG rating, the other doesn't.

Yellow: 185 x 57.5 cm x 1.2 cm = 10638.7cm³ for 450g is, I think 42.29g per m³
Red: 190 x 57 cm x 1.2 cm = 12996cm³ for 311g is, I think 29.93g per m³

So the yellow one is 41% more dense than the red one.

Thank you as always for your insight on this sort of thing! Though for the density calculation, the brass eyelets of the Expedition will be throwing off that weight comparison. I think they're the same material otherwise, based on details on others sites e.g. here:

Multimat comfort 12 xxl roll Mat

The Multimat Comfort 12XXL is designed for backpackers and campers. Perfect for Duke of Edinburgh expeditions or Scout camps. Coming from the Premium range the superior quality of the foam makes a more comfortable and durable mat.Being 50% thicker and with more generous dimensions make this...

www.skcamping.com

 

[Dan00001]

Is anyone aware of the advantage of the Expedition 12XL (1850 x 575 x 12mm) vs the Comfort 12XXL (1900 x 570 x 12mm)

The latter is very slightly longer, half the price, and lighter presumably because it doesn't have the brass eyelets. Am I missing something? Both five season, both made in Wales etc.

Multi Mat Extreme 12XL Foam Mat - Camping International

The Multimat Extreme 12 XL Foam Sleeping Mat,?offers extreme comfort and warmth yet remains incredibly lightweight (450g) making this season 5 mat ideal for expeditions and much colder climates. The durable and reliable Extreme foam mat range offers you the optimum combination of weight...

camping-intl.com

MultiMat Comfort 12XXL Roll Mat - Red - Camping International

Designed for Comfort and Practicality Multimat’s Comfort XL is the ideal choice for backpackers and campers on the move. Part of the Premium range, this mat delivers as much comfort as possible while remaining practical and easy to use. Key Features: Luxury Foam Sleeping Mat: Almost 50% thicker...

camping-intl.com

I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject, just repeating what Mike Parsons himself said. Evazote has vinyl added to the polymer chain to increase rebound rate and increased longevity/durability.

Multimat brochure:

http://www.multimat.uk.com/pdfs/SS24-A4-Multimat-Brochure-(OUTDOOR)-v02-DP.pdf

 

[Dan00001]

And here is a thread on another forum where Mike Parsons commented..

Evazote Pads - why? - Backpacking Light

I sent this email to MEC a while ago and got no response. Has anyone noticed this before? Everyone raves about Evazote, but the numbers don't add up. Granite Gear's...

backpackinglight.com

 

[Dan00001]

I'm not surprised that you can't decide which is better... the descriptions of the two products on that website are like chalk and cheese. One gives plenty of information, the other very little... just looking at the weight, one is described as "450g" and the other "less than 11 ounces" . One has a TOG rating, the other doesn't.

Yellow: 185 x 57.5 cm x 1.2 cm = 10638.7cm³ for 450g is, I think 42.29g per m³
Red: 190 x 57 cm x 1.2 cm = 12996cm³ for 311g is, I think 29.93g per m³

So the yellow one is 41% more dense than the red one.

I said 35kg/m3 i my original post but can't remember where I got that figure from. Mike Parsons said the Karrimat was 45kg/m3 so your calculations are probably more accurate

 

[Dan00001]

There is also the Expedition Summit 12XL which is Plastazote bonded to a thin layer of Evazote which is lighter than the Expedition Extreme 12XL and a little cheaper.

They also made the Summit 12XL for the military and these are cheaper again (they are green instead of yellow) they're £29 posted here:

Summit XL Foam Rollmat

The Summit 12 XL is an extra-large foam mat designed to function in the most extreme conditions on Earth and, as such, is at the pinnacle of our foam mats for high altitude expeditions. Made of top quality foams, it has a base layer for extra insulation and a...

www.outdooraction.co.uk

I've never bought from this site but it appears to be a legit outdoors shop in Blackburn.

 

[hughtrimble]

Thank you for all the extra info

 

[matarius777]

Do you know if, like the standard Farmer, the main blade is thicker than normal? I have the Alox Farmer, which I got specifically because of the sturdier blade, and was tempted by the X but haven’t been able to ascertain whether the blade is thinner to accommodate the scissors?

 

[Nomis]

Got the Finnish Loue from Bushcraft Spain arriving next week....Forrest green oilskin! woop woop

Finnish Loue canvas tent - Bushcraft Spain

The Loue Canvas Tent: A Timeless Design from Finland Camping is all about blending in with nature and embracing the great outdoors. And what better way to do that than with a Loue Canvas Tent, a traditional Finnish design that pays tribute to the way camping should be. Made of 100% organic...

bushcraftspain.es

 

[Mesquite]

Do you know if, like the standard Farmer, the main blade is thicker than normal? I have the Alox Farmer, which I got specifically because of the sturdier blade, and was tempted by the X but haven’t been able to ascertain whether the blade is thinner to accommodate the scissors?

I know that the Farmer X is chunkier than the Farmer due to the scissors so I doubt they made the blade thinner

 

[Tengu]

Was in Perth so got a whole load of stuff including some incense, dog biscuits and a piece of linen.

This was before Games Workshop opened.

I need to be kept away from the 21st century.

 

[hughtrimble]

This was before Games Workshop opened.

I need to be kept away from the 21st century.

Don't worry, you've got 20,000 years or so to go before what they have comes true

 

[Mesquite]

Do you know if, like the standard Farmer, the main blade is thicker than normal? I have the Alox Farmer, which I got specifically because of the sturdier blade, and was tempted by the X but haven’t been able to ascertain whether the blade is thinner to accommodate the scissors?

My Farmer X arrived and I checked the blade thickness and they're both 3mm at the base

 

[rowen]

I’ve been watching Walkabout with Malcolm Doughlas on YouTube and decided I’d have to give one ago.

 

[lou1661]

I’ve been watching Walkabout with Malcolm Doughlas on YouTube and decided I’d have to give one ago.

Nice, Did you import it? or find one in the UK? Also a big fan of Malcom Douglas!

Louis

 

[BumblingAlong]

DD Poncho - Tarp - MC 2.5m x 1.7m

 

[rowen]

I imported, I couldn’t find anywhere Europe/ uk based that stocked them, when I considered what a Best Duty cost it was a fair bit less well below paying duty on it.
It’s going to be a steep learning curve as I’m used to cast iron but I’m looking forward to it

Nice, Did you import it? or find one in the UK? Also a big fan of Malcom Douglas!

Louis

 

[Chris]

I didn’t strictly buy them, but my wife gave them to me for making it once more around the Sun. Excited to give them both a try, especially now the little biting things are out in force.