Thoughts on a Ketogenic Diet?

[TeeDee]

Fairly off the normal topic but then again this is the other chatter section and I know we have a few people who have backgrounds and professions related to nutrition , health and well being.

So , anyone have thoughts , concerns , experiences of the Ketogenic diet?

[video=youtube;F2xhlIIueZY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2xhlIIueZY[/video]

Open to all discussion ( as long as its polite and credible - show your workings! )

 

[widu13]

I always try to imagine what Mr & Mrs Caveman would have eaten. We have evolved a long way in 5-10,000 years but our bodies haven't kept up.

We know that there would be days of meat feasting, some days of no food, plenty of days of little food and often a non meat based diet based upon season.

I don't think any one "diet" is sustainable,

 

[woof]

Is this the same as an high protein no carbs diet ?, if so apparently it is dependent on blood group, what ever blood group it suits(can't remember which)I'm one, & if you can stick to it works well for weight loss.

Rob

 

[TeeDee]

Is this the same as an high protein no carbs diet ?, if so apparently it is dependent on blood group, what ever blood group it suits(can't remember which)I'm one, & if you can stick to it works well for weight loss.

Rob

Hi Rob , no exactly ( although there is a lot more protein than normal. ) its more High Fat . ( I know... the concept would shock many )


Maybe this is a better shorter video.

[video=youtube;EYV5SgRYSJo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYV5SgRYSJo[/video]

 

[sandbender]

mmmm, meat.

[video=youtube;BUo72V5ZGM0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUo72V5ZGM0[/video]

The thing is I really enjoy, cheese, cereals, fruit, veg etc. I enjoy the whole process of selecting, processing and cooking all my food, doing so makes me happy. Being happy about your diet (IMHO) is the most important thing.

Knowing when to stop eating can be useful survival trait though.

 

[TeeDee]

Knowing when to stop eating can be useful survival trait though.

As that clip come from Hannibal ( A cannibal by choice ) I find it quite ironic.

 

[rik_uk3]

IIRC it was designed to reduce epileptic fits and its good for producing kidney stones (a bit of useless information, in terms of pain the top three are 1 Passing kidney stones 2 Gout and 3 childbirth )

 

[Robmc]

IIRC it was designed to reduce epileptic fits and its good for producing kidney stones (a bit of useless information, in terms of pain the top three are 1 Passing kidney stones 2 Gout and 3 childbirth )

Try Cluster Headaches (Which i suffer from), I get them every 3 years for 6 weeks, usually 6 headaches a day ranging from a few minutes to about 4 hours each. My niece also gets them and she said that childbirth is nothing compared to the pain of a CH.

 

[sandbender]

As that clip come from Hannibal ( A cannibal by choice ) I find it quite ironic.

I was thinking more along the lines of eating to excess, as long as one harvests ones diet from reputable sources and avoids all foodstuffs that may have been adulterated during industrial scale mass production then one should eat quite well I'd think.

Yes, the Hannibal TV series obviously employ someone who knows how to prepare and present good food.

 

[andybysea]

Doubt they are really the top 3 most painful things Rik. Sorry for going off topic Teedee, as for diet doubt id have made a very good cave man to many nuts well not many at all and some pulses give me a really upset stomach, dont know if this is relevant but i was told by a consultant that im in the 30 percent group of people whose appendix points the wrong way?

 

[rik_uk3]

I did say 'useless information' but accurate non the less, told to me by my pain control specialist and my consultant. As for the diet IIRC it can be useful for diabetics but I'd have to go and google that.

 

[TeeDee]

As for the diet IIRC it can be useful for diabetics but I'd have to go and google that.

Because it would keep Insulin low? Due to the lack of Blood Sugar spike?

I guess I'd better put this into perspective , I'm looking at this not just because of the calories in-calories out sum game of most weight loss "diets" but more the longer term hormone enhancing side effects and increase of bio-markers.

 

[JAG009]

Atkins diet ,Ketogenic diet ,South Beach Diet , etc etc bla bla bla ......all fads ... eat a healthy diet of fruit ,veg , some red meat ,fish ,chicken ,eggs etc etc ..say away from packet foods and all these ready meals that have become very popular of recent years, and anything that is full of salt and chemicals, e numbers and the like .. and just lead an active lifestyle,, ie exercise!!!..... Job done ! ...no fad diets needed ,,

 

[rik_uk3]

Well said JAG009, I'm a firm believer in a bit of what you fancy won't harm you unless you have a medical condition of course.

 

[JAG009]

PS Try making your own bread too, its so easy ,that muck they pass as bread these days is just awful for you

 

[sandbender]

PS Try making your own bread too, its so easy ,that muck they pass as bread these days is just awful for you

Indeed.

I think many of the problems that folk in the west have with their diets are down to food and eating being looked on as an inconvenient time wasting portion of the day, when in reality, food, its finding, preparation and consumption are supposed to be one of the more pleasurable things in life, something that should be afforded as much time as it needs.

 

[cbr6fs]

I don't think any one "diet" is sustainable,

Agree 100%

In my experience the proponents of these "diets" are always the ones with something to gain, be it pushing a book they have for sale or trying to stand out from the crowd of trainers, dieticians etc


With regards to the pain:

I did say 'useless information' but accurate non the less, told to me by my pain control specialist and my consultant. As for the diet IIRC it can be useful for diabetics but I'd have to go and google that.

Been to see many many of these quacks over the years, not found one that suffered from any long term pain.

Bit like a non-driver teaching someone how the drive was the expression i used to them.


Pain affects us all differently so how one person can state categorically that one thing hurts more than another is not worth the time taken to write it.

 

[Trencakey]

I've been on Keto now for over 12 months.Never felt better,lost 40 lb's too.I dont tolerate carbs very well so it suits me perfectly.I have boundless energy and whereas I was in constant pain from inflamed joints I am now virtually pain free.

 

[wicca]

I wonder what statistics say about people who have been living on a diet not too dissimilar to this Ketogenic diet, for many years? I'm thinking of people like the Inuit and Sami who in the past (before easier access to greater varieties of food) lived largely meat, Caribou and other land game animals and not inconsiderable amounts of fat in the form of Blubber. I appreciate there would be berries and green food in limited season and Fish of course, but not the '5 a day' that is punted about continually as the life saver.
Wonder what their life spans/ illnesses connected with diet were, compared with those on a Western diet of the same era? I'm not talking about those who perhaps met a Polar Bear with a bad attitude, but those who were affected purely by diet.

 

[TeeDee]

I've been on Keto now for over 12 months.Never felt better,lost 40 lb's too.I dont tolerate carbs very well so it suits me perfectly.I have boundless energy and whereas I was in constant pain from inflamed joints I am now virtually pain free.

Good. Someone with some actual empirical evidence and understanding.
Care to share some more how you found making the change, hints , tips etc .