Thoughts on a Ketogenic Diet?

[Clouston98]

It's a dad as far as I'm concerned. A balanced diet and excercise. If you don't excercise then while you may not be overweight as such you will be unfit. Wether it's jogging, football, circuit training etc you should always excercise. I do think that fatty foods are healthier than sugary foods in general, though that doesn't mean you should eat lots of either. My BMI is in the healthy weight category and I eat pretty well and get a lot of excercise so that works for me but not everyone, It'll involves suiting your diet to your own need and preference and seeing what works for you. Hope this helps .

 

[rik_uk3]

Agree 100%

In my experience the proponents of these "diets" are always the ones with something to gain, be it pushing a book they have for sale or trying to stand out from the crowd of trainers, dieticians etc


With regards to the pain:


Been to see many many of these quacks over the years, not found one that suffered from any long term pain.

Bit like a non-driver teaching someone how the drive was the expression i used to them.


Pain affects us all differently so how one person can state categorically that one thing hurts more than another is not worth the time taken to write it.

I don't see 'quacks' for medical help, I prefer to use highly qualified and experienced medical professionals... they kept me alive a couple of years ago and who's to say what ailments they themselves have experienced.

 

[cbr6fs]

I don't see 'quacks' for medical help, I prefer to use highly qualified and experienced medical professionals... they kept me alive a couple of years ago and who's to say what ailments they themselves have experienced.

I was talking specifically about your mention of "pain control specialists" mate, not doctors in general.

As i say unless the person has experienced long term pain how are they experienced or qualified to tell other dealing with long term pain how best to handle it?

 

[cbr6fs]

It's a dad as far as I'm concerned. A balanced diet and excercise. If you don't excercise then while you may not be overweight as such you will be unfit. Wether it's jogging, football, circuit training etc you should always excercise. I do think that fatty foods are healthier than sugary foods in general, though that doesn't mean you should eat lots of either. My BMI is in the healthy weight category and I eat pretty well and get a lot of excercise so that works for me but not everyone, It'll involves suiting your diet to your own need and preference and seeing what works for you. Hope this helps .

Wise head on young shoulders

Agree 100% with everything

 

[Trencakey]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=36497&page=1
I make sure my fats come from olive oil,butter,nuts,eggs.I dont tend to eat much red meat,my protein comes from eggs,tuna,whey protein.I eat as many cruciferous vegetables as I can whilst staying below the 30 grammes of carb limit.I make sure I have a daily multi-vit/mineral and make sure I take extra potassium and magnesium.

 

[TeeDee]

Cheers Trencakey , you are the only one to actually give some hard input related to the question specifically. Its a shame more people don't RTQ.

 

[JAG009]

Cheers Trencakey , you are the only one to actually give some hard input related to the question specifically. Its a shame more people don't RTFQ.

You also say (
Open to all discussion ( as long as its polite and credible - show your workings! )) and that's what people have done !

 

[TeeDee]

You also say (
Open to all discussion ( as long as its polite and credible - show your workings! )) and that's what people have done !

And where exactly are your workings? Tell me why a high fat diet is bad? Tell me the effects you think it will have on HGH , ldl , hdl and everything else.

 

[sandbender]

Cheers Trencakey , you are the only one to actually give some hard input related to the question specifically. Its a shame more people don't RTFQ.

I wasn't trying to knock you, you asked for my thoughts...

"...So , anyone have thoughts...of the Ketogenic diet?.."

I gave them. I'm as interested as you may be to read of folks experiences.

 

[John Fenna]

IIRC it was designed to reduce epileptic fits and its good for producing kidney stones (a bit of useless information, in terms of pain the top three are 1 Passing kidney stones 2 Gout and 3 childbirth )

Not good for me then - I am very prone to producing Kidney Stones - Renal Colic is only fun if you REALLY enjoy pain!

 

[JAG009]

And where exactly are your workings? Tell me why a high fat diet is bad? Tell me the effects you think it will have on HGH , ldl , hdl and everything else.

Low sugar today have we ! All I said was I think all fad diets are exactly that fads,, and in my opinion a healthy balanced diet is the way to go

 

[sandbender]

Lets take a breath or two before any more posts folks. Keep it on track and good natured.

 

[rik_uk3]

I was talking specifically about your mention of "pain control specialists" mate, not doctors in general.

As i say unless the person has experienced long term pain how are they experienced or qualified to tell other dealing with long term pain how best to handle it?

So, do you classify them as quacks? Can a doctor/consultant who has not had cancer/Ebola/bubonic plague/influenza/tonsilitis/STD's et al know nothing of the ailments and not treat the problems? Flawed logic on your part.

Chaps and chapp'eses, whilst (for all I know) the 7th of December may be Pedants day...please don't shoot the messenger, I've only related what I was told by a highly respected consultant and his team.

Have a nice day

 

[cbr6fs]

So, do you classify them as quacks? Can a doctor/consultant who has not had cancer/Ebola/bubonic plague/influenza/tonsilitis/STD's et al no nothing of the ailments and not treat the problems? Flawed logic on your part.

Chaps and chapp'eses, whilst (for all I know) the 7th of December may be Pedants day...please don't shoot the messenger, I've only related what I was told by a highly respected consultant and his team.

Have a nice day

A doctor treating cancer, illness or a virus is able to verify and see results from blood or other fluid samples.

As i said in my first post pain is subjective, there is no consistent test for pain across patients, a person can ask the sufferer to list the pain they are feeling on a scale, say 1 to 10, but everything from state of mind through to how much sleep you had will effect that given result.

With viruses, cancer, STD's and the like there are measurable results that are not subjective.


Sorry if this is slightly off-thread guys but i have an injury which causes a fair amount of pain, so it's something that i deal with every second of every day.
It's also something i've been trying to come to terms with over the last 13 years, so i tend to get a bit pedantic over blasé statements that are put forward as facts.

I understand that we are taking the thread off-topic so if the mods allow my responses i will agree i won't post any more on this subject in this thread.

 

[Nice65]

I was recommended a ketogenic diet when I was diagnosed with cancer. Cancer loves sugar and carbs, remove them and it drastically slows the cell division. Or so I've read.

I enjoyed the food a great deal, 2 steaks rather than one etc. but it got very expensive not having a portion of potato or rice to bulk a meal out.

Interestingly, the first recorded cases of cancer came from the major grain producing countries. I'm out at the moment, but I'll see if I can find out more later to back this up.


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[TeeDee]

I was recommended a ketogenic diet when I was diagnosed with cancer. Cancer loves sugar and carbs, remove them and it drastically slows the cell division. Or so I've read

Also read that. Hope the dark days are mostly behind you Nice65.

 

[sandbender]

"...I understand that we are taking the thread off-topic so if the mods allow my responses i will agree i won't post any more on this subject in this thread..."

You should all feel free to kick off a new thread in other chatter on the subject of what ailments are the most painful.

 

[dwardo]

Eat less and move more. Seriously though its just physics. Some times I find it hard to get out and do more especially at this time of year so I try to eat less. Yes I will feel a little hungry but fluids help with this and are a bonus in other ways. If energy in doesn't equal energy out then there is a surplus.

 

[TeeDee]

Eat less and move more. Seriously though its just physics.

Er , No it isn't. With regards to the Ketogenic diet its about hormone manipulation and using fat as a primary fuel source.

 

[Trencakey]

Er , No it isn't. With regards to the Ketogenic diet its about hormone manipulation and using fat as a primary fuel source.

TeeDee have a look at this if you haven't already
http://nrc.ajums.ac.ir/_nrc/documents/Anabolic Diet.pdf