Yes, important to keep it in perspective. But I do know from experience even small thieving can be hard to deal with. I hope Lurch is doing OK. And I'd chip in as well. Chris
There is a thief amongst us !!
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Errrr that too !!
To be fair this is only the second theft I know about in all the years I've been bushcrafting and I'd say 99.9% of people i've met are thoroughly decent folk who just want to share skills and swap stories and have a wee dram round the fire of an evening. It just always gets my back up when some scrote thinks they can take something when all the rest of us work hard and save up for what we want. The knife was a Spyderco Bug (pic below) and as Mark says it's not a "High Value" item but that isn't the point. He checked his stock and it was gone !
It'snot a case of getting out of proportion.
I have some kit that I have scrimmped and saved to get ,and it is unlikely that it can be replaced easily.It only takes one opportunist to help themselves and it leaves a bad taste for a long time and a lack of kit for a long time.Lurch has let people see and play with his stuff and someone stole it,that is a breach of trust that will reflect on us all.Not out of proportion at all!!!
robin wood
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Well I reckon a spyderco bug which retails at £6.95 is probably around £4 trade and would far rather give Lurch the £4 than see everyone at that meet tarred in some way. I know it is not about the money you guys are all taking a moral stand, I am sure you must all be perfect moral upstanding citizens, probably never go over 70 on the motorway, up an insurance claim, drink too much, swear, or maybe all those things are OK and it's only stealing from your mates that is bad (as in the honour amongst thieves no stealing in the mob idea) I am not defending the act, it is a despicable thing to do, what I am saying is we can choose how we react to it. My belief is that it is best to keep calm and carry on, as maddave said 99.9% of folk are great. The media love to devote all their interest to the 0.1% but we don't have to.
Sorry to hear about this, if it's right then there's no excuse for it. It's not good to think there's dodgy folk about especially given all the nice sharps and shinies we leave around camp.
Fess up or just send it back anonymously
Hopefully though it'll turn up when Mark gets round to unpacking his gear.
Fess up or just send it back anonymously
Hopefully though it'll turn up when Mark gets round to unpacking his gear.
Not good!
I hope that this turns out to have just got misplaced and found its way into a bag it shouldn't be in.
Hope it shows up soon and dosent mar what was overall a very good meet (and only my second)
I hope that this turns out to have just got misplaced and found its way into a bag it shouldn't be in.
Hope it shows up soon and dosent mar what was overall a very good meet (and only my second)
Not good and not on!
I've stuck a 'Pay before you play' note into the TORM thread - with luck it'll be sorted quickly.
I've stuck a 'Pay before you play' note into the TORM thread - with luck it'll be sorted quickly.
A bit disappointing really but I didn't want to make a big deal about it. There was a Bug on the table, then there wasn't. I didn't sell it, it didn't fall off the table and it didn't get put in a box.
I remain philosophical, let's not let a wee thing like this spoil what was a cracking weekend.
I remain philosophical, let's not let a wee thing like this spoil what was a cracking weekend.
As a newcomer to this community I can't express my surprise enough! All the time I've been hanging around here people have been so helpful and generous it would lead me to think this sort of behaviour just wouldn't happen ... very sad.
I think the rant is deserved mate. Cant believe any one of our lot could do it, but then, how well do you really know ANYONE.
That is surprising, during the moot i regularly left my stuff unattended for hours. However I think it's important that we don't change our ways. We must not give in to our fear because it's one short step from a couple of things being nicked to people padlocking and strong boxing everything, and when I'm out and about with people from this site that's not what I feel I should have to do. There will be opportunistic thieves in any very large groups, statistically there has to be. If we let the fear of their existence change our ways they have won, and the day that not even the remote wilderness can be ventured into without fear of the common thief it is the day I lose faith in humanity. By all means keep an eye on your wares, even a close one. But please don't lose faith in the people of this site, I've met many of them and can't imagine a thief amongst them, but it happens and if we are to go about our hobby in the leisurely way we do sometimes we may take a loss.It's an extremely disappointing and sad price to pay sure, but our resolve must remain strong so as to shame the guilty or tempted with humility.
Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. (Mark Twain)
Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. (Mark Twain)
Did it go while you were actualy in the tent with people mark?
I do understand robins point about how we handle this ourselves..Im worried about future meets already, and am already wondering about things i saw. At one point there was a guy in builders boots and a high vis jacket hanging around the big field near me, then a teenager carrying a white plastic bag around....it was a busy site and i was pretty reluctant to leave my pitch, with it being probably the first one people walked past, and fairly invisable (wont do that again now ! ).
As other people have said, It's the principle of the thing and not the value of the item. I am from a retail background (convenience store) and shrinkage (theft) was always worked into the prices. I hope the item turns up.
I really think your missing the point it isnt the fact of the mone more of the loss of trust! In future when someone wants to handle on of his sharps he may think twice or even watch like a hawk and that could put some off. Whats the difference if it was a £7 bug or a £400 RM woodlore stealing is still stealing!!!
Dave
robin wood
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This is exactly the point I am making, I don't think we should think twice. I think we should trust people because people are trustworthy. If we make a big deal out of this the fear of theft kills a lot of the pleasure, there is a tiny tiny risk involved in trusting people, I do it all the time and the payback in good feelings all round far outweighs the very very occasional time when you get stung.
sorry to hear about this theft lurch, trouble is ive always left my gear about and its things like this that make you aware that you cant always trust everyone even in our community, so the person who stole this item should realise that its not the item or its price but the overall cost to the bushcrafting community as trust doesnt have a price, shame on you whoever you are for you will pay a higher price in the future fate has a way regards dave
The good folk way outweigh the rotters, I still have no qualms about leaving my kit under my tarp when I'm with members as there is always someone honest about that will notice someone who shouldn't be there. Sounds like this was a quick split second snatch not a premeditated sneak and rummage into Marks camp.
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