The End of Internet Knife Sales. Law change could target one-hand opening folders

[Chui]

The same with internet purchases. Online retailers have been taking the p**s and have been caught not living up to their responsibilities, now they're facing being stuck with stricter control of the existing law.

- the sad thing about this is that the govt knows who broke the laws, there were/are already laws in place..........but, they did nothing. No prosecutions, nothing.

Instead, they wish, it appears, to harp on about these terrible infringements, pronounce them appalling and irresponsible, and as a 'result' make great changes to the laws so they anaesthetise the population's ability to purchase for their [govt's] own convenience.........and massive inconvenience for all the very many law-abiding folk.

 

[Janne]

I wish the law abiding handgun owners could have educated the state that the vast majority of owners were good, law abiding and responsible citizens.
Only one rotten egg in the basket, one that the permit issuing authority missed.

Me and my wife lost our sport overnight, and with it guns worth around 20 000 UKP........
Including my beloved Colt Python, custom built by Colt at a great expense to me.


I wish you all great success educating them.

 

[Fadcode]

Most of the proposals aren't a change to the law, the laws are already existing and these are updates to keep up with modern times. It's like paedophiles arguing that they should be allowed internet child porn because the law was set before the internet was invented.

Here is a 3 page catalogue of Gerber assisted opening knives
http://www.gerbergear.com/Knives/Assisted
The existing flick knife law bans them but because the spring assisted mechanism is triggered by the thumb stud on the blade not by the usual button that was the norm back in 1959 when the law was set the current definition causes a potential loophole. The consultation document implicitly states that this is what is trying to be avoided.

The same with internet purchases. Online retailers have been taking the p**s and have been caught not living up to their responsibilities, now they're facing being stuck with stricter control of the existing law.

I think you are missing the point entirely here these proposals are not merely a reinforcement of existing laws,but a downright ban on sales to private addresses, and remember all internet sales are delivered by post/courier,but now they will have to be picked up personally, from where we don't know yet, and at who's expense?,the proposal also includes the banning of certain knives and weapons, even if you have them in your private residence.( because criminals might break into your home to rob you of your knives......................I wonder who thought that one up)

Also we live in a world shrouded by equality, diversity etc, so if legal knives can only be opened with two hands, and those that can be opened with only one hand become unlawful, how does someone with only one arm, hand etc, carry a suitable knife, or are they going to be banned from using a knife and missing out on outdoor pursuits? by our Politicians knee jerk reactions to a situation that the Police should be capable of handling. I commented in the survey that a ban on knives would not prevent knife crime, and also commented that a ban on Alcohol would not stop the violence associated with Alcohol, and pointed out that more people are killed with alcohol associated crime, eg. Domestic Violence, drunk driving etc than ever will be killed by knife crime. but can you ever see a Government banning Alcohol here..........for the good of Public Safety.

It is obvious that the present guidelines have not been followed regarding selling knives to under 18's, and checking ID and age, and something has to be done, but these new proposals go way too far in my opinion, they will just enhance the black market that already exists, put up the price of black market knives etc, and not solve anything at all.

 

[daveO]

I think you are missing the point entirely here these proposals are not merely a reinforcement of existing laws,but a downright ban on sales to private addresses, and remember all internet sales are delivered by post/courier,but now they will have to be picked up personally, from where we don't know yet, and at who's expense?,the proposal also includes the banning of certain knives and weapons, even if you have them in your private residence.( because criminals might break into your home to rob you of your knives......................I wonder who thought that one up)

Also we live in a world shrouded by equality, diversity etc, so if legal knives can only be opened with two hands, and those that can be opened with only one hand become unlawful, how does someone with only one arm, hand etc, carry a suitable knife, or are they going to be banned from using a knife and missing out on outdoor pursuits? by our Politicians knee jerk reactions to a situation that the Police should be capable of handling. I commented in the survey that a ban on knives would not prevent knife crime, and also commented that a ban on Alcohol would not stop the violence associated with Alcohol, and pointed out that more people are killed with alcohol associated crime, eg. Domestic Violence, drunk driving etc than ever will be killed by knife crime. but can you ever see a Government banning Alcohol here..........for the good of Public Safety.

It is obvious that the present guidelines have not been followed regarding selling knives to under 18's, and checking ID and age, and something has to be done, but these new proposals go way too far in my opinion, they will just enhance the black market that already exists, put up the price of black market knives etc, and not solve anything at all.

These are all points covered in the consultation documents if you read them. The law changes have to show consideration to disabled people and minorities etc etc.

You also say that knife sales are banned to private addresses but it is only the delivery to the address that is proposed to be banned. Private addresses will still be able to purchase knifes just as they can now. The consultation also addresses how online companies will deal with delivery and includes the requirement to analyse the cost implication etc. Collection from the post office for the same cost as the usual signed for delivery service will be the likely answer. Royal mail will be fine with it as it gives their bricks and mortar business model a boost over the courier companies. Town centres will flourish from the extra foot traffic. Good times will be had by all...

At the moment a police officer can raid a criminal's house, find a huge stash of weapons (not tools but weapons) and be unable to do anything about it. You say police should be able to deal with law enforcement but there are a lot of times when they can't. Read the reasons for the proposals, it's not designed to stop your one armed man doing his one armed knife hobbies.

You even make the point that alcohol isn't banned despite alcohol crimes being committed but drink driving is illegal and so is domestic violence. That is the same with knives. Knives aren't banned despite knife crime but the laws are kept strict to make knife crime illegal.

 

[Fadcode]

These are all points covered in the consultation documents if you read them. The law changes have to show consideration to disabled people and minorities etc etc.

You also say that knife sales are banned to private addresses but it is only the delivery to the address that is proposed to be banned. Private addresses will still be able to purchase knifes just as they can now. The consultation also addresses how online companies will deal with delivery and includes the requirement to analyse the cost implication etc. Collection from the post office for the same cost as the usual signed for delivery service will be the likely answer. Royal mail will be fine with it as it gives their bricks and mortar business model a boost over the courier companies. Town centres will flourish from the extra foot traffic. Good times will be had by all...

At the moment a police officer can raid a criminal's house, find a huge stash of weapons (not tools but weapons) and be unable to do anything about it. You say police should be able to deal with law enforcement but there are a lot of times when they can't. Read the reasons for the proposals, it's not designed to stop your one armed man doing his one armed knife hobbies.

You even make the point that alcohol isn't banned despite alcohol crimes being committed but drink driving is illegal and so is domestic violence. That is the same with knives. Knives aren't banned despite knife crime but the laws are kept strict to make knife crime illegal.

magic Mushrooms should be banned too

 

[mark.177]

one thing for certian... if there isnt some provision left to post ie royal mail refuse to post knives many if not all UK knife makers will simply disappear and that'll be the end of UK custom/hand made knives.
its hard enough making a living making knives as is and with 99% of my sales requiring posting to customers it'll be a death blow for me.
4 years of my life acquiring specialist tooling/knowledge keeping a skill alive for nothing.... there will be no handmade knives

 

[sunndog]

What other age restricted stuff can be sold online, and how do they enforce it?

 

[mark.177]

What other age restricted stuff can be sold online, and how do they enforce it?

video's, games, fireworks, tobacco... this is worth reading and goes to show just how messed up our law is as doubt amazon will face prosecutionhttp://www.bromley.gov.uk/leaflet/248269/20/480/d

 

[Corso]

As for the consultation once they realise the tax losses they will find a way it happened with RIF sales to airsofters and that was a drop in the ocean

 

[Klenchblaize]

So let me get this right:

I may be trusted to own a 338 Lapua Magnum sniping rifle & ammo but my https://www.heinnie.com/fallkniven-pxl-ivory-micarta must be surendered at a Police Station TBC and with zero compensation as it may be opened with either my left of right hand rather than both?

Orwellian springs to mind but then I do have more experience than most of Government bans in but one lifetime.

K

 

[Janne]

I believe you can have a permit for the rifle only if you have a need. Hunting. Sport.

(Are you thinking of getting an Accurancy International AW one ?)

So let me get this right:

I may be trusted to own a 338 Lapua Magnum sniping rifle & ammo but my https://www.heinnie.com/fallkniven-pxl-ivory-micarta must be surendered at a Police Station TBC and with zero compensation as it may be opened with either my left of right hand rather than both?

Orwellian springs to mind but then I do have more experience than most of Government bans in but one lifetime.

K

 

[C_Claycomb]

Mod hat on.

Folk, quit with the personal remarks/attacks. That is 8 posts from the last 2 hours that needed deleting. If there is someone whose posts you don't like reading, use the ignore feature and quite letting them bother you. Or report them.

Lets keep our focus, please. Suggestions about knives with or without points are completely irrelevant to the matter at hand and are just distracting folk. The matter at hand is this consultation and the legislation being proposed, its implications and possible case law fall out. Points are not in it.

 

[mikehill]

Ahh there's an ignore button. Thanks. Sorry your dinner was disturbed.

 

[slowworm]

So let me get this right:

I may be trusted to own a 338 Lapua Magnum sniping rifle & ammo but my https://www.heinnie.com/fallkniven-pxl-ivory-micarta must be surendered at a Police Station TBC and with zero compensation as it may be opened with either my left of right hand rather than both?

I was wondering if you could just remove the thumb stud on such knives?

I also wonder how long before the 338s are banned after the 50 cals?

 

[mikehill]

I guess you could remove them but it wouldn't help with Spydies etc .. Let's just hope they don't go that far with it ..

 

[Janne]

I am sorry to suggest the tip safety feature.

IMO banning the .50 is justified from one point ( has no hunting application) but it is a very accurate round for precision shooting.

Yes, other rounds are just as accurate, and long range capable.

I have friends in Uk that have precision rifle shooting as hobby, but none use the .50. Too expensive.

Knives: As I wrote earlier, maybe the knife manufacturers could add another 'release' button? So you need two hands to release the blade?

( no good for one armed people, sorry about that)

 

[Bishop]

Thank you for shopping with us your order has been dispatched and you will be notified when your purchase is ready for collection at your local police station.
Please note the local constabulary will charge an additional handling fee to cover their expenses.
PS: Don't forget to take your Government Issued Knife Carry Licence



because deep down you know this is coming

 

[Robbi]

I can certainly see makers being licensed in the future

 

[Janne]

Your scenario is not that bad. Would work.
I assume that being able to get the ‘knife permit’ , we would need to state a need. Bushcrafting, hunting, fishing, camping.

How much is a shotgun permit these days?

Thank you for shopping with us your order has been dispatched and you will be notified when your purchase is ready for collection at your local police station.
Please note the local constabulary will charge an additional handling fee to cover their expenses.
PS: Don't forget to take your Government Issued Knife Carry Licence

View attachment 46394

because deep down you know this is coming

 

[Nice65]

Thank you for shopping with us your order has been dispatched and you will be notified when your purchase is ready for collection at your local police station.
Please note the local constabulary will charge an additional handling fee to cover their expenses.
PS: Don't forget to take your Government Issued Knife Carry Licence

View attachment 46394

because deep down you know this is coming

No rep button here, but well said.

Personally I don't think this is coming and we're blowing up a storm for no reason other than we're fed up with being dictated to, and are the people that might be affected. For me it's not to do with knives, it's being treated like a child by people who have no idea what they're talking about but need some positive feedback to justify their positions. As a 52 yr old who has had a knife in his pocket from age 8, I really object to being told what I'm allowed to carry in my own clothes.

But, my point really is, we're foaming at the mouth at something that hasn't happened yet.