With all fairness you are a farmer with some status in the community, you are not 16 years old.
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With all fairness you are a farmer with some status in the community, you are not 16 years old.
And yet so many question with incredulity why anyone would wish to escape the insurmountable challenges of the 21st century and live a 'quiet' life on the margins of society.
I truly believe unless we collectively grasp some very potent nettles as an early priority we are all doomed.
K
Really? I have been stopped and searched just because I was walking home late, if they have reasonable cause then they can with anyone.
Sorry, cross posted with snapping turtle. I was replying to Klenchblaize
Really ?
I don't. I do think that there is such a huge spread of communication now, and an incredible amount of social interaction and awareness that though things do flare up, they settle down again pdq.
Preppers, armageddon followers, etc., y'know who are the most organised people in the country re the logistics of daily life ?
The folks who run supermarkets.
They juggle suppliers, producers, transport, power, staff…..and they do it day in day out. Even when we had three feet of snow the supermarkets managed to get their access cleared, their deliveries through and their staff on site. No one else did.
Do you know how many supermarkets there are in this country? I don't, but within twenty minutes walk of the house there are nine near us. Most folks in the UK live with that kind of reality. Not all, not by any means, but most do.
If the ports seize up, there'd be issues, but it would need to be 'all' ports; road transport strike, there's always someone prepared to earn an extra few pounds to get stuff through. Besides the producers would be pushing too along with the suppliers, not just the sellers.
Civilisation depends on a very few strategic things. In our present state those are shelter, water, food, power/fuel.
Not a lot of difference from the bush crafty camp
History shows that every time society breaks down, it restabilises. Every, single, time. Anarchy doesn't rule long, and it kids itself that it creates anything but the desire for stability in almost everyone.
I still think that learning how to be able, how to be capable, how to be multi skilled is an awfully good idea though and I have no issue with folks wanting to live quiet, self sufficient lifestyles. Good on them, diversity is a healthy thing
And, having taken the lad's thread totally OT, sorry James
I hope you've had your question answered, but I think from your post that you're already very aware of the issues, and I hope you never, ever, have any bother with your tools.
M
Really ?
I don't. I do think that there is such a huge spread of communication now, and an incredible amount of social interaction and awareness that though things do flare up, they settle down again pdq.
Preppers, armageddon followers, etc., y'know who are the most organised people in the country re the logistics of daily life ?
The folks who run supermarkets.
They juggle suppliers, producers, transport, power, staff…..and they do it day in day out. Even when we had three feet of snow the supermarkets managed to get their access cleared, their deliveries through and their staff on site. No one else did.
Do you know how many supermarkets there are in this country? I don't, but within twenty minutes walk of the house there are nine near us. Most folks in the UK live with that kind of reality. Not all, not by any means, but most do.
If the ports seize up, there'd be issues, but it would need to be 'all' ports; road transport strike, there's always someone prepared to earn an extra few pounds to get stuff through. Besides the producers would be pushing too along with the suppliers, not just the sellers.
Civilisation depends on a very few strategic things. In our present state those are shelter, water, food, power/fuel.
Not a lot of difference from the bush crafty camp
History shows that every time society breaks down, it restabilises. Every, single, time. Anarchy doesn't rule long, and it kids itself that it creates anything but the desire for stability in almost everyone.
I still think that learning how to be able, how to be capable, how to be multi skilled is an awfully good idea though
and I have no issue with folks wanting to live quiet, self sufficient lifestyles. Good on them, diversity is a healthy thing And, having taken the lad's thread totally OT, sorry James
I hope you've had your question answered, but I think from your post that you're already very aware of the issues, and I hope you never, ever, have any bother with your tools.
M
nope they can't however if you comply they can convince you of anything
https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-to-stop-and-search-your-rights
But in the case of the OP he still would have to have a good reason for it being openly on his belt, and he doesn't have one, when the better option and the one I take when I do the same, is I have no use of it till I get to the woods that's a 100 yards of public road and several fields, he has fair reason to carry but how you do this is important so discretion would be prudent here.
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The thing is if you follow the letter of the law no he wouldn't. There is no open carry legislation like there is in the states.
the whole point against open carry is if its in your bag why would the police take an interest in you in the first place.
the whole point against open carry is if its in your bag why would the police take an interest in you in the first place.
yer you have a point with that, most likely they would not stop you but if they did and they really wanted to know what your up too they would use reasonable cause, I just feel you have a better stand point if it is not open carried nor concealed on your person, by being in the pack It shows some understanding of the contentious points of carrying but you have done it in the safest way you can.
Not so sure about my 'status'
yeah he's 16 but thats old enough to carry with good reason. The only real difference between me and him if we got stopped would likely be confidance in dealing with the situation...the copper would be unlikely to know me or anything
Strongly disagree. The lad got up that morning and got dressed ready for an activity on the other side of the road to his house THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
For this activity he wants (wants!) a knife on his belt. No laws broken so far, and all perfectly reasonable
He leaves his property and spends what? All of five seconds crossing a country road?
Honestly i cant believe the absurdity of this.....its a knife, its not going to jump out of its sheath and start attacking people the moment it senses its on public property
what is everyone so scared of? No copper in his right mind is going to drag you down the station for that.
Is carrying a knife such a big deal to people on here that you feel like a criminal yourselves, are you victims of our knife fear state?
I think there maybe some truth in that last line above
I remember a member on here a couple years ago saying they felt threatened by all the knives people were carrying at the bushcraft show (still laughing about that now tbh)
This year at the show bags were being searched for bombs (fair enough) the same amount of knives were being openly carried in public with no better reason than the O.P here.......guess what, i didn't see one single arrest!
A dude crossing a road simply should not be this big of a deal
Sorry, cross posted with snapping turtle. I was replying to Klenchblaize
Really ?
I don't. I do think that there is such a huge spread of communication now, and an incredible amount of social interaction and awareness that though things do flare up, they settle down again pdq.
Preppers, armageddon followers, etc., y'know who are the most organised people in the country re the logistics of daily life ?
The folks who run supermarkets.
They juggle suppliers, producers, transport, power, staff…..and they do it day in day out. Even when we had three feet of snow the supermarkets managed to get their access cleared, their deliveries through and their staff on site. No one else did.
Do you know how many supermarkets there are in this country? I don't, but within twenty minutes walk of the house there are nine near us. Most folks in the UK live with that kind of reality. Not all, not by any means, but most do.
If the ports seize up, there'd be issues, but it would need to be 'all' ports; road transport strike, there's always someone prepared to earn an extra few pounds to get stuff through. Besides the producers would be pushing too along with the suppliers, not just the sellers.
Civilisation depends on a very few strategic things. In our present state those are shelter, water, food, power/fuel.
Not a lot of difference from the bush crafty camp
History shows that every time society breaks down, it restabilises. Every, single, time. Anarchy doesn't rule long, and it kids itself that it creates anything but the desire for stability in almost everyone.
I still think that learning how to be able, how to be capable, how to be multi skilled is an awfully good idea though
And, having taken the lad's thread totally OT, sorry James
I hope you've had your question answered, but I think from your post that you're already very aware of the issues, and I hope you never, ever, have any bother with your tools.
M
I meant "doomed" in the sense of a painfully compromised way of life due to others selfishness and zero morale compass as distinct from armageddon.
K
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Martin
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what walking about at night? They might have convinced you they had reasonable cause and you complied, I would not have I would have kept moving if they had persisted I would have asked what reasonable grounds they had to stop me and request they let me go home.
my point is having a knife on your belt would give them reasonable cause, crossing a road with a bag on you back would not. Yes you would likely be seen as having a good reason and sent on your way, but why would you be arsed to spend your outdoor time proving it to the officer? just for the feeling of freedom?
If we lived in an Ideal world, we could all walk around with our knives on show, without fearing reprisals from the Police or members of the public, but, we don't live in an ideal world, and we haven't lived in an ideal world for a long time, one of the problems we have nowadays is mass communication, the minute something happens it spreads rapidly and the story is embellished on the way, especially if it concerns knives, now we (forum members) know that there is a vast difference between the majority of knives used in crimes, and the knives we are interested in, but to Joe Public a knife is a knife, whether its a butter knife or a WW2 bayonet, its a weapon of mass destruction.
Now whenever anyone asks for advice on carrying knives there is a plethora of different attitudes to this.....
We know for instance if you have reasonable cause for carrying a knife, then you should
but we also know that if you are stopped by the Plod you could end up in trouble,( despite having the right to carry)
because there are always different ways of doing things, for example
I have to nail 2 pieces of wood together, I have one nail, a Knife, an Axe and a large stone.
If I use the handle of the Knife to hammer the nail in, I may damage it
If I use the Axe, and miss the nail, I damage the wood
If I use the stone, and it breaks, then the nail may go through my hand.
The point of the exercise is, there is a risk in everything we do, and the option with the least risk is usually the better option.
The OP asked if it would be better to put the Knife, Axe, or saw, in his haversack, and I think he answered his own question, minimise the risk,
We all know the law is an bottom, but we have to live with it, and unfortunately have to comply with it, even though we disagree with it, we also know that most of the Laws are very vague and hard to interpret, take this new one regarding the carrying of Acid, how many housewives will be locked up for buying household cleaning material ( which was the material used by these scrotes in these moped attacks in Da Kapital (sic)), talk about knee jerk reactions from politicians, would have made more sense to me to ban tower block cladding.
My advice to all is to get out into the woods, mountains, fields and enjoy yourself before that is banned, and don't laugh, they have started it up in Scotland, and other places, our leisure world is crumbling around us, use it or lose it.
Now whenever anyone asks for advice on carrying knives there is a plethora of different attitudes to this.....
We know for instance if you have reasonable cause for carrying a knife, then you should
but we also know that if you are stopped by the Plod you could end up in trouble,( despite having the right to carry)
because there are always different ways of doing things, for example
I have to nail 2 pieces of wood together, I have one nail, a Knife, an Axe and a large stone.
If I use the handle of the Knife to hammer the nail in, I may damage it
If I use the Axe, and miss the nail, I damage the wood
If I use the stone, and it breaks, then the nail may go through my hand.
The point of the exercise is, there is a risk in everything we do, and the option with the least risk is usually the better option.
The OP asked if it would be better to put the Knife, Axe, or saw, in his haversack, and I think he answered his own question, minimise the risk,
We all know the law is an bottom, but we have to live with it, and unfortunately have to comply with it, even though we disagree with it, we also know that most of the Laws are very vague and hard to interpret, take this new one regarding the carrying of Acid, how many housewives will be locked up for buying household cleaning material ( which was the material used by these scrotes in these moped attacks in Da Kapital (sic)), talk about knee jerk reactions from politicians, would have made more sense to me to ban tower block cladding.
My advice to all is to get out into the woods, mountains, fields and enjoy yourself before that is banned, and don't laugh, they have started it up in Scotland, and other places, our leisure world is crumbling around us, use it or lose it.
dear forum,
I was in the pub last night and it was my round. I judged on of my friends to be drunk and refused to buy him a beer because of the 2003 Licensing Act.
was this the right thing to do?
I would hate to have handed him his pint just as a policeman walked in the door.
I was in the pub last night and it was my round. I judged on of my friends to be drunk and refused to buy him a beer because of the 2003 Licensing Act.
was this the right thing to do?
I would hate to have handed him his pint just as a policeman walked in the door.
Depends….was he carrying a knife, perchance ?
"The Act sets out four licensing objectives which must be taken into account when a local authority carries out its functions. They are:
the prevention of crime and disorder,
public safety,
prevention of public nuisance, and
the protection of children from harm
In Scotland there is a fifth licensing objective which is:
protecting and improving public health "
"The Act sets out four licensing objectives which must be taken into account when a local authority carries out its functions. They are:
the prevention of crime and disorder,
public safety,
prevention of public nuisance, and
the protection of children from harm
In Scotland there is a fifth licensing objective which is:
protecting and improving public health "
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