Question regarding knife carry

[Corso]

no paperwork or guidance on how to get it = illegal search

that's a basic rule in PACE

and their 'reason' is out of the how to get you to do what we want play book 2am, in black, in the dark, middle of nowhere and someone saw you, of course they did, they were fishing plain and simple

just like the take this caution and it'll all go away line...

anyway walking away from this as I've not the energy any more....

 

[Polecatsteve]

You can have in your possession a fixed blade knife if you have reasonable excuse. That is not up for debate. His point was walking over a public roadway. Yes, you can have a reasonable excuse of carrying it from one property to another. Again. Not for dispute. However, in general, the public are idiots, someone driving past may see said young lad crossing the road in the country with a blade on his belt, phones it in. Unneeded grief. The best advice was given in the 1st reply. Put it out of sight then fire it on your belt. Simple.

All this crap about reasonable excuses for a search? If someone phoned it in, passed a description and he was found, he could and would be. Yes, he may not end up in the dock, but why the hell go that far in the 1st place. I understand the guys young and seeking advice. But I think he knew the answer to this before asking.

If you have doubts. Go with your gut.

 

[Jaeger]

Aye Up,

Gut instinct may be right in many instances - but not always and people often ignore it or don't even recognise it - I've made those mistakes myself in the (now thankfully distant) past and if I had a fiver for every time that I have heard someone say - "well I had a feeling that something wasn't right but I just ignored it", I could have kept various tea funds in the black!

What is more I would suggest that it would be far wiser to raise the question here as the O.P. did than to automatically assume that you are in the right. If you can't raise such a question here that would be a poor show.

I suspect that the O.P. possibly - and others less informed who have followed the thread, will most likely have learned something about the wider considerations re stop/search and powers of arrest because the O.P. did raise it.

 

[Fadcode]

Just to throw a spanner in the works on this topic, if any of the plod read this topic on here,they would now know that anyone with sense would have his knife etc, in his rucksack, what the plod wouldn't know was ...is the knife in the rucksack an illegal knife, eg Zombie Killer etc, and would this give him the right to do a stop and search to make sure?...........his reason is this, if the scroats in our society are reading this then they may well think that if they want to carry knives around they would have a good chance of doing it, by simply carrying them in a rucksack, and appear to be going camping.
Just because they cant actually see a knife,weapon etc, surely this would not prohibit them from doing a stop and search?, same for drugs, they would normally ask you to empty your pockets, for their own safely to ensure you didn't have any weapons, etc. lets face it, you get stopped and searched every time you go on a plane, and we don't mind that because that's for our safety.

 

[Faz]

If the knife is in a rucksack and an officer happens to see you walking along with a rucksack there's no reason at all for a search.
Likewise if you had a pocket full of drugs and an officer walked past then there's still no reason for a serch as the officer wouldn't know on either occasion if those things were there.
To be honest there's not much chance of an officer walking past anyway, more likely they would drive past and still no reason to stop and search.
But, if someone was to see you putting a zombie knife in your rucksack and reported this with a description then you may well be stopped and searched.
There may specific intel about a person carrying and that may cause a stop/search.
Officers can't just go around searching incase people have something regardless of what you see on the news.
They must have reasonable grounds to search you. Not just because you might have something.


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[sunndog]

Maybe i'm just TOO reasonable in my thoughts. The OP is crossing a country road. He's doing something legal for all of five seconds.

IF he happened to be spotted and reported then by the time the police turned up (two human beings) he's likely to be chilling out in camp. They have a nice chat he shows them some kit perhaps offers a brew and everyone parts happy.
Next time he's spotted and and reported the police know who he is and do nothing, or even pass wirh a cheery wave

Too easy?

 

[Faz]

Bang on with that sunndog. I think it falls down 0.1% of the time due to lack of common sense but otherwise it should work like that.


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[Janne]

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[Polecatsteve]

I think we scared the original poster away.

(Or he got arrested crossing the road . )

Ahah ahaha 😂 That tickled me.

 

[Jaeger]

Aye Up,

Fadcode - the reason that they ask YOU to empty your pockets is so that they don't inadvertantly get stabbed by a (potentially HIV carrying) needle!

 

[santaman2000]

I never allowed a suspect to empty his own pockets; or put his hands anywhere near them for that matter. If I didn't have reason to search I'd still have anybody being interviewed to keep their hands in plain sight and well away from their pockets or handbags.

 

[Janne]

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[sunndog]

But what if they already had their hands in the pockets?
Tazer time?

Walking down the street with your hands in your pockets?.....suspect behavior if ever i saw it. taze them on sight, its the only way to be sure

 

[Fadcode]

Aye Up,

Fadcode - the reason that they ask YOU to empty your pockets is so that they don't inadvertantly get stabbed by a (potentially HIV carrying) needle!

that was included in the etc.....

 

[Janne]

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[santaman2000]

But what if they already had their hands in the pockets?
Tazer time?

Order them to remove their hands and keep them in plain sight. Taser? Nope. If a suspect makes any move to place their hands out of sight after being ordered not to, it's prudent to draw your own firearm. I don't have to allow the suspect the first shot (or knife slash) I merely have to have "reasonable) belief that he's reaching for a weapon to justify using lethal force.

To avoid getting cut or punctured by stray needles or blades, we all wear Kevlar gloves during searches. As well as surgical gloves.

 

[Janne]

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[slowworm]

To avoid getting cut or punctured by stray needles or blades, we all wear Kevlar gloves during searches. As well as surgical gloves.

Out of interest do the kevlar gloves work? I picked up a pair on non-leather puncture resistant gloves for gardening but thorns pass right through.

I'm a little surprised we've gone from a simple carrying a knife across a quite road to being tasered and shot.

To answer the original question I think it would depend on the area, I happily cross the road with a knife round here, and an axe, log pick, chainsaw etc. But then we're very rural and the police never come out this far unless there's a badger cull on.

 

[Robson Valley]

Armoured gloves are recommended for some styles of wood carving.
Kevlar and s/s mesh are pretty much cut proof but they are not puncture/stab resistant much at all.
Thousands of wood carvers are testament to that. Just keep your tools in the kit until you need them.

 

[Janne]

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