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It is a wasted talent.
It is a shame because everyone makes mistakes, she just lived in the public eye and did not get the right help.
It is a shame because everyone makes mistakes, she just lived in the public eye and did not get the right help.
They tried to make her go to rehab mate but she said no......no....no.
Another one joins the 27 club.
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Yeah sad, just heard it on the radio alarm news. She'd been called a tortured soul. I suppose that's a title someone gets only after they're dead.
She was exposed to too much abusive temptations and combined with a self destructive nature and little or no will power to do it in moderation, I'm not that surprised to hear this. Shame though, I Liked her stuff.
She was exposed to too much abusive temptations and combined with a self destructive nature and little or no will power to do it in moderation, I'm not that surprised to hear this. Shame though, I Liked her stuff.
Same here , Not much sympathy ( sorry ) but compared to the recent going on's in Norway it pales into insignificance for me in terms of True loss.
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I've never seen nor heard any of her entertainment, so I can't comment on talent or otherwise, but from what I've read she made her own choices and she got what was always going to happen if she didn't grow up.
The thing that bothers me most about all this is the example she was setting for millions of kids, and quite possibly even a few older folk. It makes me think there's a case for censorship in the interests of public health. And there's a case for stiffening law enforcement in high profile cases like this; the ongoing sagas of substance abuse and bad behaviour and getting away with it can't be good for anybody.
Like TeeDee I haven't much sympathy, in fact it affected me more when my dogs killed a little fox kit the other day. But that's Nature. This is Nature too, like the guy who killed himself on a fast motorbike last week. None of us can beat Mother Nature, and she treats her children very harshly. Just like that little fox. He made a mistake, and he paid for it with his life. Well, everyone here should know all that already.
In a way I'm glad this symbol of depravity managed to kill herself so publicly. Maybe it will bring home to a few youngsters that binge drinking and doing drugs isn't as smart as they've been telling each other. We all know they won't listen to anybody else.
i agree totally mate, it sickens me that her death (sad as it is) related to drugs and booze and basically her own choices is getting as much if not more media coverage than the horrors going on in norway. This celebrity culture we seem to live in is an absolute joke.
I don't think real choices come into it when drink and drugs get a hold on someone. I suppose you could argue that they made a choice in the first place but it's not always that simple.
It's very sad but there was a certain inevitability to it I feel. Like watching a train crash in slow motion.
It's very sad but there was a certain inevitability to it I feel. Like watching a train crash in slow motion.
Blimey, I'm staggered. I suppose though your sentiment is right. Why not broaden it out? Like when someones elderly mum dies, at least they don't have to worry about the fees for the home anymore. Or when a baby dies, at least the parents won't have to worry about it ever becoming addicted to drugs in later life eh? After all, who cares if someone else dies eh?
This one takes the biscuit though. Again, we should run with the concept. Let's let all smokers die slowly from their diseases, in pain, in a big hospital which has school trips and a play area, then they can all die publicly and without dignity, but that'll learn em won't it? And think of the learning for all the sensible grown-up people who still smoke.
As for 'growing up', mate, you obviously have not the slightest grasp of addiction have you? Be honest, I don't want any nonsense about "my sisters best friends uncles cousin was a glue sniffer at school". If it was about 'growing up', then how do you explain Michael Barrymore, Paul Gascoine, George Best, Oscar Wilde, all the Romantic poets, Lewis Carroll, Truman Capote, Ira Hayes (Google him, very interesting), Oliver Reed, Dylan Thomas, oh the list goes on and on and on.
It's not about 'growing up', it's about good treatment.
I profoundly disagree. It is that simple.
By the time I was old enough to be tempted to smoke cigarettes, it was well known that they cause all kinds of health problems. The directors of cigarette manufacturing companies were stating on oath in public hearings that they believed that this was not the case, the lying b@st@rds, but they were losing ground. Nevertheless, the advertising in those days was merciless. Smoking was quite unjustifiably linked with all kinds of successes in life. Utterly reprehensible.
Drugs and other substance abuse wasn't much of an issue then, as far as I know nobody had yet thought of sniffing glue, but both my grandfathers smoked from early ages. My father smoked from when he was about 14. Some of my cousins and many of my friends took up smoking when they were very young, and some of them tried to get me to smoke.
I knew that smoking was bad for you.
I knew that smoking costs a lot of money.
I knew that smoking makes you smell absolutely awful.
As far as I could tell so did everybody else, and I looked on in amazement as people spent money they couldn't afford on something that would seriously damage their health. For me, it wasn't a difficult decision. I said "No".
And I kept saying "No", and I joined ASH, and I even had a tee-shirt printed "I DON'T SMOKE" and I used to walk around in pubs and bars wearing it, carrying a glass of milk. (I wasn't a big drinker either.
) When friends of mine married over thirty years ago, the groom, Ian (coincidentally I'll be seeing him at lunchtime today) begged me to let his new wife smoke because during the reception I'd been nicking her cigarettes and throwing them away. When I asked people to stop smoking on buses they either looked at me as if I was mad or gave me verbal abuse. Only once did someone try to assault me but that didn't get him very far.I wrote to MPs and Prime Minsters and in 1984 even to Robert Maxwell just after he bought Mirror Group, begging them to do something about the damage that the tobacco companies were doing to people.
As far as I know, none of it ever did any good. A few people did put out cigarettes on buses but that's about it. None of our leaders ever replied, and Mr. Maxwell (he didn't reply either) turned out to be one of the most impressive fraudsters who'd ever sat in the House so he was another disappointment. I don't remember exactly, but I think that was about the time that I gave up the unequal struggle.
So all right, maybe actually taking a stand against mass insanity is a bit more challenging, and maybe it isn't going to get anyone very far, and from my experiences I can understand why more people don't do that.
But just saying "No" is not difficult, it's only slightly more difficult than being stupid, and I still can't believe that in the 21st century it's legal to smoke, but I can get arrested for carrying a penknife on a train.
The whole flippin' world is stark, staring bonkers.
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hahahahaha what's your point Maggot should we celebrate the death of all our drug adled criminals who once made good Musci but then refused all the help available to them from friends a parents? Is that a life to be crbrated or one to consign to the "how not to do it" file maybe we should parade them through the streets in a glass coffin and allow all her adoring fans to shoot up as she passes? Never belived in the don't speak ill of the dead rubbish, I only have sympathy for the people who have to clear up the mess these wastees leave behind, why should any one have to deal with that? It so easy to say no to help and stay in the despicable state rather take the hard road and sort your life out and rejoin society. Why should any of us respect a weak choice?
I'm not going to argue with you ged, in fact I have not even read your whole post because we all know you like an argument and that is not why I'm here.
Feel free to hold your own opinions, just do not expect people who know anything about addiction to share them.
Feel free to hold your own opinions, just do not expect people who know anything about addiction to share them.
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