I too live in a wet coastal climate (albeit a warm one usually now) But I've also lived in wet inland climates (much, much wetter than a coastal climate) and dry coastal climates.The climate whrre these russians operated is inland, and thus dry. The same cliamte and temperatures at which down is a very good option.
But her eon the coast, like in England, it would just get soaked, collapse and be useless.
The reason I for example do not use down sleeping bags, is that I am in a wet coastal climate.......
LOL. You do live in a fairly easy climate for that web gear though. The biggest problem was in tropical and semi-tropical climates. Dry rot in the desert was/is particularly bad too.Sorry - I thought we were discussing body clothing here
I have reduced Goretex jackets to leaky tat within a year while my Ventile keeps working at the same efficiency as when new for several years and my 5.11 trousers have outlasted "high tech" nylons in real wear by about a factor of 3 while my Merino wool T-shirts have outlasted some modern fabric Ts staying comfortable when the synthetics have gone hard and uncomfortable - and Merino stays smelling sweet long after the synthetic Ts are akin to toxic waste!
I do have a WW2 webbing belt around here somewhere and altho showing a bit of age it sure hasn't rotted away yet
I can see the tropics being a problem for cotton - but when I was expeditioning in the tropics the main kit failures we had were nylon tent flysheets degrading in UV light and falling apart -polyester ones were better but cotton outlasted them!LOL. You do live in a fairly easy climate for that web gear though. The biggest problem was in tropical and semi-tropical climates. Dry rot in the desert was/is particularly bad too.
Despite some of my posts, I too usually prefer natural fiber clothing (usually, but not always, cotton over wool though)
OOOOh nearly missed that one!I like the way the thread has specialized on how clothing keeps you warm when wet. It tends to totally ignore any possibility that any of us like to explore/play in hot climates.
Tell me Bumbler, how well does that wool do for you in the Mojave? Death Valley?
Certainly sounds logical john. But it hasn't been my experience. I do seem to be able to wear wool felt hats fairly comfortably but even then, a cotton one or a pith helmet type (where the actual helmet is help an inch or so off your head by the harness) work better.OOOOh nearly missed that one!
Actually wool is very good in hot weather - lightweight wool garments at least - and helps regulate the way sweat evaporates to cool the skin, holing it close to the body for max cooling power instead of letting it drip away.....
Yeah, photo degradation is a problem with nylon as you say. I learned that quickly when I took up skydiving (with nylon chutes) in the Mohave.I can see the tropics being a problem for cotton - but when I was expeditioning in the tropics the main kit failures we had were nylon tent flysheets degrading in UV light and falling apart -polyester ones were better but cotton outlasted them!
Don't let facts get in the way of truth .......I'm not on any side in this wet wool 'debate' as I never wear/use the 'orrible itchy stuff but I do know perceptions are more important than scientific figures & graphs formulated in a lab as there are so many variables that science cannot take into consideration. If you say that wet wool doesn't keep you warm then that is true for you, like wise if someone says the opposite then that is true too, it's what we percieve that matters & arguing the toss over which point of view has more validity because it's backed up by some scientific laws is pointless.I'll join, as long as we agree that these are personal preferences we disagree about, and not actual facts about the materials.
At least you survived......Yeah, photo degradation is a problem with nylon as you say. I learned that quickly when I took up skydiving (with nylon chutes) in the Mohave.
Interesting to note (speaking of kit failure) is that one of the items that I've had wear out the most often is velcro.
Yeah i need pockets too. Some Ts do have them (but usually limited to a single pocket) Dickies comes to mind for a heavy (ish) durable one.At least you survived......
Yea - Velcro is no hero of mine really - the hooks fracture in extreme cold, they get clogged and as for fire-resistant... the fur melts too easily!
wool Tshirts work fine year round - but I only wear them in winter coz my man boobs are ugly in anything less than a sports bra!
Also I NEED lots of pockets so a shirt with good sized pockets is a real need in summer - and Ts don't have 'em!
I'd say we disagree here. You're quite right about the criteria used by armies in most cases (at least as regards the type gear we're discussing) BUT!!! Unless you're independently wealthy or have a sponsor who is, then I'd say that's also the exact same criteria most of us use.....Armies using one material over another is not always about the best performance, it is often a compromise between price, performance, durability and use which is to a different criteria to civilian use in most cases.....