Jedi perhaps?
Already signed up. Wonder where a light sabre would fit into current legislation..
Learnt a bad lesson today
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Jedi perhaps?
Already signed up. Wonder where a light sabre would fit into current legislation..
just popped into my head as being "outdoorsy",
hopefully you get where i'm going with it though 
just popped into my head as being "outdoorsy",
Your cool Lister, I have just a rational dislike of those clowns, I knew what you were saying.
Yes admirable traits. Especially when they're properly focused on feeding one's family rather than one's ego.
and did the officer who gave you the warning suggest you would be arrested/charged for possession of an offensive weapon if you did not accept the warning?
Eh? I think your caps lock button is broken. See below.
Again. Eh? My comment was in reply to the following post than the OP.
Originally Posted by kpeter20
Mouse, would you mind expanding on how the warning took place?
Sorry if I have missed it but was it a case of the officer taking the knife from you in the street and giving you a verbal warning along the lines of don't do it again or did you accept and sign something more official.
Ok here we go
Walking quite normally when a marked police car passed me I noticed the driver taking notice of me I continued to walk on my way , several minutes later the car stops In front of me and the officer gets out and asks quite politely where I was going , I replied ,he then asks what I had in my pack at which point I answered quite openly my kit for bushcrafting ,he asked if he could look , at this point I was NOT aware that this was to be a search and was shocked when he asked me to sit in the car whilst he looked , I asked why and upon me doing this he used his radio ( I was not aware for what until later ) he told me that it was needed whilst he took a look in my pack so I basically done as I was told ,whilst in the car another car arrived with other officers ( the radio call ) when they spoke they agreed that my knife , axe and spoon knife were of concern told me that I was not to be arrested but the kit was to be taken by them to the station and I could go to the station if I disagreed and someone more senior would take a look , I was given a receipt and told I was guilty of breaking a law and it would be recorded on my file and if I was found in the same situation again I would be arrested and charged
This is in short what happened at the road side
Bushwhacker, its got everything to do with money,for if youve got none or very little and you cant get legal aid what are you supposed to do?
lessons learnt...
1.Take 3 minutes to learn the law on knives/tools in public.
2.Take 5 minutes to learn the stop and search law, and your relevant rights.
£.You're guilty until proven innocent, so put .1 and .2 to good use!
1.Take 3 minutes to learn the law on knives/tools in public.
2.Take 5 minutes to learn the stop and search law, and your relevant rights.
£.You're guilty until proven innocent, so put .1 and .2 to good use!
"Cost" involves more than just the leagal fees. You also have to take into account lost work while in court or in a cell awaiting court, etc.
How do any of us know how we would react? As it happens one of my sheath knives was on my belt when doing stuff at a Wood Fair in Cornwall recently. And was still there when we took the dog to the beach later on the way home and still there when we went shopping in ASDA, again still on the way home. If challenged I hope I would have explained and if cautioned hope would have refused the caution. After all it can be argued that a knife on my belt is safer than in the car which is still a public place and we are cautioned by police notices at all the local beauty spots not to leave valuables in the car.
But then from your tone Gixer no opinion but yours should be expressed.
Interesting read. Sorry first of all for all you had to go through.
This whole experience sounds darned unpleasant.
The law in my country may be different from where others are. All I know is that I always carry a knife in my lady like purse.
A skinning knife and I never get stopped because I am a middle aged innocent looking woman.
Also carry bit of string, lanyard and fire kit, first aid in said purse.
Police had overhere the right to search a person when there is reasonable doubt. Stretchy formulation isn't it?
Understandable you had enough of all of this.
Here's hoping you can some day replace your knife and cherish it.
This whole experience sounds darned unpleasant.
The law in my country may be different from where others are. All I know is that I always carry a knife in my lady like purse.
A skinning knife and I never get stopped because I am a middle aged innocent looking woman.
Also carry bit of string, lanyard and fire kit, first aid in said purse.
Police had overhere the right to search a person when there is reasonable doubt. Stretchy formulation isn't it?
Understandable you had enough of all of this.
Here's hoping you can some day replace your knife and cherish it.
Hi Mouse thankyou for that description, from that it sounds like you didn't sign any official paperwork yourself, and did not go to the station at that time (i know you went later with solicitor), my brother was once offered an official caution (not for same thing) at the police station and to accept it he had to sign the paperwork, however he protested his innocence and refused to sign the caution commentating to the officer that if he signed it was in effect an admission to being guilty, the officer said he was being lenient with him but if he wished to go to court it was up to him but he would receive a stiffer penalty for not complying, anyway my brother point blank refused to sign the caution and the officer then got very irate and eventually balled at him ''then get out of my station'', my brother then promptly left the station and no furhter action was taken, he had no caution nor went to court, it was in effect a bluff by the officer because he knew he had not got any evidence to produce a case to the CPS. The reason i have stated this case Mouse (sorry for lenghty reply) is because i thought for a caution/warning to take effect you MUST sign to accept the caution/warning for it to be registered as official and it sounds like you have not signed anything unless i have missed something, just curious as to wether your warning is in fact registered as official (the police do make slip-ups), the person to ask is NOT the police but a legal person like a solicitor, i know you had one but did you check this with him. Anyway sorry to intrude on your present situation best wishes for a brighter future.
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widu13
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
With respect Boatman, but in the circs you recount you would have been guilty of an offence and should you have refused a caution (if indeed one were even offered) then a court case would follow, and following the letter of the law then convicted of an offence.
What offence? Legal reason for having knife on way to wood. Journey home so carriage of knife legitimate. No law to say you cannot do more than go straight home and reason for not leaving knife in car. So what does the law object to?
if caught walking round asda with a sheath knife on your belt you would not have the slimmest chance of escaping conviction, and it is extremely unlikely a caution would be offered under those circumstances and the penalty would be high, transporting a knife from home concealed in bag directly to the place of legitimate use is i maintain ''good reason'' to carry said knife, if you divert on route instead and have it dangling on view from your belt and enter shops like that then absolutely no way can that be considered ''good reason'' and you deserve what you'd get. That scenario is in no way comparable to Mouse's.
Well not law but Highly recommended as your car on the public highway is considered a public place. And the police don't like folk having weapons handy in side pockets and the likes. In the boot it is considered luggage and out of sight. Also wearing knives on a belt into a supermarket is just bad form. Take it off, even just having the sheath on is enough to cause alarm and could constitute a breach of the peace. Breach under Scottish law is anything that causes alarm or offence.
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