Is there really any need for camoflage?

santaman2000

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Same here. As for fasion I'm not sure how fasionable realtree and wellies will ever be considered

Wellies? Don't know. But Realtree? Very fashionable. To the extent that plush indoor furniture, bed linens, women's accessories, and many other things sell at a rate of $millions per year.
 

mick91

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Wellies? Don't know. But Realtree? Very fashionable. To the extent that plush indoor furniture, bed linens, women's accessories, and many other things sell at a rate of $millions per year.

All I know is that if I walked in with realtree bedding, the other half would likely strangle me with it! To me it's function over form, like when barbour jackets got fasionable a few years ago, I wore mine before the fad and will long after. Although you can pick out someone who uses one for the proper purpose, the smell of barbour wax mixed with nitro powder and wet gundog identifies the fashionable from the practical
 

Buadhach

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Bless you widu13, I wouldn't want to upset anyone, which is why I prefaced my sincerely held opinion with the word "Largely", to indicate that I realise that there are those who don't fit into those categories. (soldiers and diggers on Time Team, for instance) As far as I know, it is legitimate to express personal opinion without first trawling the internet for supporting evidence, so I will continue to do so.

Wear your camo with pride, may it give you many years of good service.
 

santaman2000

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All I know is that if I walked in with realtree bedding, the other half would likely strangle me with it!....

Yeah they can be funny that way can't they? It's really surprising how those same "other halfs" will go out and buy said linens and curtains and paint the walls camo in the kids' rooms for their birthdays. LOL
 

santaman2000

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......To me it's function over form, like when barbour jackets got fasionable a few years ago, I wore mine before the fad and will long after. Although you can pick out someone who uses one for the proper purpose, the smell of barbour wax mixed with nitro powder and wet gundog identifies the fashionable from the practical

I really just don't pay attention either way TBH. I buy camo such as Realtree for hunting but it gets demoted to regular street clothing and then to work clothing. As for Barbour, it also makes very good work clothing in my experience. But you asked....

...... As for fasion I'm not sure how fasionable realtree and wellies will ever be considered

So the fact that it does indeed sell for fashion items at a rate of $millions a year would seem to indicate that indeed it already is.
 
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As cammo is cheap its fairly common on building sites, often worn with Hi Vis vest over the top.

Just shows that its generally cheap and hardwearing.
 

Alan 13~7

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I like the thread title ... "Is there realy any need for camoflage?" ...
notice the spelling of "camoflage"
The dictionary spells it with a "u" - "camouflage"
Does the lack of a "U" mean that the OP considers camo to be "Non - U"
Or is it "U is not in comouflage is u mate?"
Or "Camouflage is not realy U sir"
Or "camouflage does not realy need u"
or is it ...
boy - that beer is strong tonight!

Well spotted Mr Fenna you make me chuckle love your sense of humor,
I'm loving this thread Ì'm well qualified to pitch in with this thread I am a KIT HEAVY army surplus camoUflage Nutter... I don't consider myself to be a Rambo wannabe but if I have to be labeled & put in to a little box I'm pushing towards hobson's Armchair survivalist,

So Camo for me is:~ (1) Not really necessary for hiding . It just gives me a nice feeling!
(2) as JohnBoy & Shewie said its NOT always the cheapest option.. I will gladly spend my £'s on supergrade (new unissued 40+ year old) over pre issued any day, I believe the quality of materials used 40 years ago is better quality than modern day kit, IMO I would agree even the new unissued kit is still good value for money. but for me that's just a bonus.
(3) yes because its high quality tough & fit for purpose. The military's quality standards 40 years ago were high.
(4)Why DPM camoUflage? For image? A fashion statement? Colour coordination? I'm OCD & I like things to look like they belong together? Pretty much all of these. My kit is either olive drab or camo I think it looks cool.... Blue is for a boy, Pink is for a girl & Camo is for a man.

Is there a a "specific target image" portrayed by camo loving kit users I think not? I'm sure however Most people probably don't give a rats bottom what others think Its just what they like that matters.. its as was already suggested most people on this forum probably don't give it a second thought... I agree & understand why in some war torn parts of the world it may be considered dodgy... don't the army boys have a rule that they can't wear camo when on leave for that reason.... I think it was mark who suggested among those backpacking light types camo is a no no...

that made me think image wise it's Lycra pastels & day glow for those backpacking light sissies who struggle to carry their own stick thin weight & kit heavy army surplus camo for the more rotund Rambo types like myself

You cant always judge a book by its cover.... I have a Camo Goretex Wet Weather MVP hat & one rainy day between showers I was wearing it when I went to pick up the kids from school & looking at my hat one little boy inquired inquisitively " are you going fishing" so for that little boy camo says fishing.... another day as I left my house I was approached by an Asian woman who was collecting for the red cross looking at my hat she inquired inquisitively " are you in the army... my hat was the only camo item I was wearing so for Asian woman camo says army its different storks for different folks...
 
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Alan 13~7

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I think I can summarise with saying, yup I agree. |What people wear shouldn't matter, but people being people will have their own opinions of what clothes mean. Rightly or wrongly there is a certain stigma attached to camo.

Do we need camo? No.
Do we want to wear it? Some do.

Nag.

yep +1 to that we are all to quick to form opinions related to many forms of clothing choices...
 

Alan 13~7

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I think it is a good point about camo scaring regular people. I can certainly see that happening. On the other hand, I don't think wool jumpers and waxed cotton covers are any better in that respect. Ultimately, we use what we can afford, and let's be honest, more importantly, what we think makes us "look the part".

Heaven help these "regular" people if the youth of today ever get hold of some camo hoodies then?
 

Stevie777

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I have quite a few bits of Camo, Mostly desert Camo. For hunting i use a Ghillie Suit or Cape that i made from Hessian. I like it because it's cheap as chips and the Modern day military stuff is excellent quality.
Also the civvy equivalent is way to expensive. Other than that i just walk about in the Buff.
 

Alan 13~7

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How will wearing cammo draw attentions to yourself, I'm talking about the UK now and not the States, Africa or Brazil et al. Do YOU stare at people wearing cammo? if you do then your the one with a problem as the overweening majority of ordinary people couldn't give a flying fox what you wear and won't be sitting up in bed thinking about the horrid person in army clothes who had the audacity to walk out in public wearing the vile stuff who is obviously some psychotic/Walter Mitty/wannabe Rambo/SAS loon.

The problem is not if its OK to use cammo/is there a need for cammo, the problem should be "Why do I think there is a problem wearing cammo", your the problem, not the folk using it.

I agree Rik +1 I am in Prestwick Scotland & a camo head & till now I hadn't even considered the possibility there are actually people who think that way about camo... here its normal to see loads of people wear camo gear on the streets.
 
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Goatboy

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Like the Spike Milligan Skit.... :lmao:

And one from his books...
Private Milligan: I don't like wearing this uniform Sir!
Sgnt. Major: Why not Milligan?
Private Milligan: The Germans keep shooting at it Sir?

Sent via smoke-signal from a woodland in Scotland.
 

Robson Valley

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Hunting and stalking everything from wild turkey to big game: yes.
High plains sage brush bib overs and 2 full ghillies for warm and cold (Canada Geese) WX.
Other than those, I don't give 2 hoots who knows I'm in the bush.

Of course, bush/forest/sage brush desert is "crown land" over here. You can come and go as you please but you must be a steward
and respect the land and the living things. I am far more concerned about what the First Nations might think of my behavior
than the attiutdes of any government policy.
 
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Quixoticgeek

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I used to wear a lot of army surplus kit, and backpacked round Europe with a set of PLCE webbing and a Berghaus Vulcan many years ago. I stopped doing so when a guy saluted me in a station in East Berlin... I've still got the PLCE webbing, but haven't had a good reason to get rid of it yet.

I have a couple of items that are camo that I do actively use, a Flecktarn Tarp, and a DPM bivvi bag. I find having a camo shelter, whilst not going to deter those who are looking for you, do allow you to camp 10 yards from a footpath and have the dog walkers just walk straight on by...

What I do find infuriating tho are people who pitch BRIGHT coloured tents on hillsides. The visual pollution of it is horrendous. A nice green, or Coyote brown will blend in nicely and add to the photos, while a BRIGHT RED one just spoils the view.

J
 

Macaroon

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What I do find infuriating tho are people who pitch BRIGHT coloured tents on hillsides. The visual pollution of it is horrendous. A nice green, or Coyote brown will blend in nicely and add to the photos, while a BRIGHT RED one just spoils the view.

J

Amen to that! I couldn't agree more......And the snakes of hikers on the hills and dales wearing clothing that looks like a traffic-light transplant are just as polluting.
 

Quixoticgeek

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Amen to that! I couldn't agree more......And the snakes of hikers on the hills and dales wearing clothing that looks like a traffic-light transplant are just as polluting.

I'm ever so slightly less annoyed by that one. I can at least not have them in my photos (take multiples as they move, and stitch together as if a panorama). But a tent doesn't move, you can't do that. Bright coloured tents are right up there with littering IMHO. About the only bigger wilderness sin is to bag up dog poo and hang it on a branch...

J
 

Buadhach

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I'm with you about eyeball spraining colours in the countryside, Quixoticgeek. They don't exactly do much for the environment. Alpkit's tarps in kelp colour are very acceptable. Summit Equipment (http://www.summitgear.co.uk/) have started making bothy bags in camo, which is nice of them. They also do plain green and they're happy to make one without pvc window if that's what you want. (I do, less bulk, less weight, less to go wrong.) If I just want to take 5 out of the sluicing weather, the last thing I would want is some well meaning bod reporting me as being in trouble. -But I do carry something bright which I could use to help attract attention in times of need.... Unobtrusive is good
 

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