It's OK - I didn't take it that way.
I thought you were being rhetorical.
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I thought you were being rhetorical.
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I think that would be a more constructive way of turning this discussion around from arguing about cock wombles such as Andrew Tate - resources to help support men's health (mental and physical).
Let's go with that.
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He's actually traveled through the challenges that can come from social media, internet etc quite well, he didn't have a phone until he went to Uni and he often says how good that was. He's very aware of the influence the modern world has on his peers and younger kids, he's developed strategies to stop himself from getting caught up in online stuff, like leaving his phone in the kitchen and turning it off completely when he's got to focus on tasks. He focuses on using tech, social media, apps etc as tools that he controls. He's generally focused on what he can control in his life and works hard at not letting other people, companies, social media etc having control of it. At 24 he's got a masters in Physics and a Masters in AI and technology so he's not shy of the internet and tech.
My two youngest daughters (youngest of 5) on the other hand have a much harder time balancing online and life and we're often perceived as hard nosed on our approach to their use of tech and how they want to spend their time.
A big shift seems to be that communication is via apps and messages (says he that's typing on a forum that he created!) is the only way to go, and it's 'generally' shallow, and the pursuit of truth, reality and work has turned into opinion and feelings. There's a lot of damage done by the online world, how it works and manipulates... But hey, I'm starting to get political so I'll leave it at that
It's good to hear an account of someone with a healthy control over the online world. I expect as a parent today it's no easy job to establish that balance. It seems the technological gap between the generations is at an all time high, and I'm sure that presents some pretty unique challenges.
Forums generally seem to be a much more productive version of social media. Perhaps there is a level of accountability that doesn't exist within the mayhem of Twitter, etc.
To be fair, I only mentioned Peterson, Rogan and Goggins, and it wasn't with any motivation to stir up a storm. Just that, in my opinion, they have most likely turned many young men away from prison and suicide.
I suspect we probably agree on more than we disagree on. Shall we put out a virtual hand and shake on it?
There's a lot of info here and other pages of the same research site:
Duration of Suicidal Crises
While some suicides are deliberative and involve careful planning, many appear to have been hastily decided-upon and to involve little or no planning. Chronic, underlying risk factors such as subst…
www.hsph.harvard.edu
The 24 hours is since the event that triggers; it appears that most suicides take place in 5 minutes from deciding to. You have to look at other pages to see comparisons of genders but it does not tell us a timing difference that I have found so far.
Edit: I confess, I'm not comfortable going into this level of detail on the subject on an open forum. If people want me to edit out that link I will.
For those that are interested in the origins of the term Toxic Masculinity - not wishing to twist anyones knicker elastic.
Also suggest reading the comments under the YT clip.
Also suggest reading the comments under the YT clip.
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I recall he had a good conversation with Douglas Murray, touching on similar stuff.
Men’s drumming circles were big in California a few years past. I came on one on the beach, illegal campfire in the center. It was the mutual grooming that killed it for me. Ticks are so bad people are encountering them there now!
I think 1 pint is less "numbing the pain" and more "about lubricating the conversation." And yes, unwinding from the day's tensions at the pub instead of dragging your problems home is probably very good for the relationship.
I'm sorta in agreement with you. However I'm unsure of which is causal and which is effect. Growing up in the 60s and 70s boys usually had fathers influencing their lives: even if their parents had separated or divorced, they both continued to help with the children (so the male role model was still respected and expected) Also boys and girls normally played sports (but to be honest back then they didn't take was performance enhancing drugs) Boys often got into schoolyard fights as a rite of passage. Sometimes the teachers would punish them but sometimes teachers would take them to the gym and let them put on boxing gloves and work off their anger. But that was usually the worst of the violence. Compare that today where students are punished (even suspended or expelled) for using "violent" words. That seems to have led to students repressing their aggression until it explodes in the modern violence you describe or even with gunfire on campus.
Mostly I saw the opposite. The traditional veterans groups like VFW and AL were begging Vietnam vets to join because their molder members were dying off from old age. The younger vets (my generation) just generally showed no interest. Fortunately that changed in the 1980s.
Regarding the ratio of vets among the homeless is also a bit of a problem. It's true that 25%-50% of the homeless "CLAIM" to be vets but that usually turns out to be a case of stolen valor (impersonating a vet to obtain discounts, sympathy, or some perk) Media coverage also loves playing to this view and ignores successful vets. It really irritates me when the media paints us in this light. Not every servicemember I knew over my career succeeded in return to civilian life, but the vast majority did so and indeed prospered largely because of their service and what they learned from it.
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The tradition groups were in fact hostile at first. They became welcoming when, as stated numbers fell ( try to find your grandfathers moose, odd fellows. Etc lodge) and the political war view shifted.
I volunteer for a non profit veterans assistance organization. There are con artists in every walk of life; Congress host to a three ringed vaudeville show currently.
I’ve encountered my share of fakes and people ( lots of cooks) who
Turn a simple, honorable DD214 into The Audey Murphy movie.
But the numbers are extremely high
and hostility from ‘successful’ vets
A heartbeat and paycheck away from a car, motel voucher or freeway underpass. Btdt
I volunteer for a non profit veterans assistance organization. There are con artists in every walk of life; Congress host to a three ringed vaudeville show currently.
I’ve encountered my share of fakes and people ( lots of cooks) who
Turn a simple, honorable DD214 into The Audey Murphy movie.
But the numbers are extremely high
and hostility from ‘successful’ vets
A heartbeat and paycheck away from a car, motel voucher or freeway underpass. Btdt
Having recently being in a couple situations where I nearly had my off switch flicked a couple times, I've decided to try and pursue a different direction in life. Words and definitions are somewhat meaningless to me. If you want to label me anything, I'd prefer it was true and accurate to who I am, which as far as I lead myself to believe, is a suspicious of those I don't know, loyal to those I care about, and protective over anyone in my "tribe".. above all that, call me whatever you like, just remember that mislabelling people won't encourage them to your way of thinking and spending huge amounts of mental energy on battles that really don't make a difference isn't wise.
Wish you all well.
Wish you all well.
Yeah, there are always some that are a heartbeat and a paycheck away from failure. That said, they arent among what I meant by "successful." the majority that I knew went for civil service jobs, highly skilled trades, back to school for a free education or training courtesy of their GI benefits, back home and into the family business, or quite often started their own companies (FedEx being one of the most prominent)
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