To be honest we did similar with 3 6inch nails.Well all the Australian "Tommy" stoves are steel, but they rust and wear out pretty quickly anyway, back in my day they were made of a thicker steel but that added excess weight to the pack. Actually we didn't always get issued them when we got our fuel rations doled out, we mainly dug a small hole in the ground and lit the tablets in the hole and set the dixies over that. Although being an Arty Rgt and CMF we seldom did full week-end patrol drills
Hexamine tabs can contain Trioxane but trioxane is very volatile.Are the US Army fuel tabs, AKA Tioxane, similar?
Legal as long as it stays in that switch!My in laws have a mercury tilt switch in their doorbell!
I don't wish to sound hostile or in any way in support of over draconian laws but the Home Office mean business on this and those found wanting have paid a very heavy price for thinking they have the advantage.bunch of clowns putting this legislation together. They can jog on.
Possibly not a good idea to draw their attention to it. The typical and safest answer for them is to say no and and ban something. One of the reasons I didn't fit in with the civil service/NHS/govt. was because I came from private industry where they excpect you to find a way.I've sent the following FoI request to the Home Office to clear up any confusion around this.
Dear Sir/Madam.
I would like to make a Freedom of Information request regarding The Control of Poisons and Explosives Precursors Regulations 2023.
In the above regulations it lists hexamine as being regulated at any concentration and that a licence is required to hold and use any regulated chemical. Hexamine is used extensively to manufacture fuel tablets which are used to provide a heat source to cook meals when camping or to power model steam engines and other similar uses.
Looking at the Poisons act 1972, specifically paragraph 2, (9) b , it states the following:
9)For the purposes of this section, a substance or mixture is “excluded” if—
(a)it is medicinal, or
(b)it is contained in a specific object.
Section 11 defines a specific object is defined as:
11)A “specific object” is—
(a)an object that, during production, is given a special shape, surface or design that determines its function to a greater degree than does its chemical composition, or
(b)an article that contains explosive substances or an explosive mixture of substances designed to produce heat, light, sound, gas or smoke or a combination of such effects through self-sustained exothermic chemical reactions, including—
(i)pyrotechnic equipment falling within the scope of Council Directive 96/98/EC on marine equipment, and
(ii)percussion caps intended specifically for toys falling within the scope of Council Directive 88/378/EEC concerning the safety of toys.
Could you please advise me that, after looking at the Poisons Act 1972, hexamine fuel tablets or similar products could be regarded as a specific object that produces heat through an exothermic reaction, and would therefore be excluded from The Control of Poisons and Explosives Precursors Regulations 2023 and a person would not have to have a licence to purchase, hold or use them.
I am happy for you to answer my question by responding to this email.
Many thanks
spot on sir. However, they have some system for trying to pick up on people trying to purchase larger volumes of anything with explosive or poisonous potential.Sounds to me like one of those "doesn't matter until it does" type laws. Basically, whilst it's technically illegal to have something, no-one will bother unless you use that something for serious noortiness.
In my day job (railway compliance) I've noticed that there's a bunch of badly amended legislation, when we left the EU stuff previously covered under European law was transcribed into UK legislation but not always very well...... so you get the rushed amendment to the regs, then the amendment to that and then the third amendment to the second amendment. Brain spinning stuff and you cannot assume the Regulator is much further ahead of you. From what I see of aviation, similar issues there.
I get the impression have a combination of (a) lack of capability and capacity in the civil service for proper tidy legal drafting and (b) politicians wanting to "do something they can be remembered by" and so they come up with something to ban, resulting in badly drafted rushed out changes to Regulations (Regulations receive little if any proper scrutiny compared to primary Acts).
Then back in the real world, I'd be surprised if the local plod doing a routine search knew about the hexamine thing (obviously very different situation if the anti-terrorist bunch raid somewhere, acting on specific intelligence).
GC
Got a link.?I don't wish to sound hostile or in any way in support of over draconian laws but the Home Office mean business on this and those found wanting have paid a very heavy price for thinking they have the advantage.
Look up the case of Gert Meyers of Bridlington. He was found In breach of the Poisons Act and the consequences were devastating. The HO tried to communicate with him and cut him a lot of slack to be fair.
Ok folks, that'll be all from me for a bit on this subject as I think we all have enough info to drown in! please refrain from too much chemical discussion on here as a public forum.
Hexamine tabs can contain Trioxane but trioxane is very volatile.
Trioxane tabs (Vietnam era ish) do not appear to contain Hexamine and are therfore exempt.
those found wanting have paid a very heavy price for thinking they have the advantage.
Look up the case of Gert Meyers of Bridlington. The HO tried to communicate with him and cut him a lot of slack to be fair.
The point is his company didSo you started the thread going again after a few weeks of inactivity.....
How is that relevant? He's hardly an innocent is he.....
Not like he was accidentally in possession of some Hexi tablets, I'd understand it if he'd been mistreated.....
Because his company status was not legitimate (no planning permission) his very possession of the chemicals became a problem. That's the relevance.So you started the thread going again after a few weeks of inactivity.....
How is that relevant? He's hardly an innocent is he.....
Not like he was accidentally in possession of some Hexi tablets, I'd understand it if he'd been mistreated.....
Safer in what way and to who? A bit like "national security", does not really mean a thing."As there are safer alternatives"
Curious sort of circle here, recent info from someone who also happens to be a member on here. Was/Is in the Govt team responsible for keeping up with/getting ahead of unfriendlies inventive ideas for making trouble.Safer in what way and to who? A bit like "national security", does not really mean a thing.