Ebola confirmed in Glasgow, via Heathrow, Casablanca and Sierra leone

[Toddy]

I avoid public loos because I believe them to be unhygienic and rather grubby, tbh.

Aeroplanes have tiny loos, so do trains and buses…..supposing someone who was not feeling maybe as well as they might ended up on a plane, and supposing in the cramp quarters, etc., that they weren't as clean as they might be about cleaning up and washing hands etc.,
Is that enough to spread the 'body fluids' around ? Is that enough to pass on ebola ?
Or trains, where the toilet empties out onto the track (do they still permit that ? ) supposing the not quite feeling as well as they might person availed themselves of public loos….where's the bleach……

M

 

[mountainm]

That said, the truth remains, she was suspected (only her out of many) of being infected and a quarantine wasn't unreasonable. What was unreasonable was that she defied said quarantine on her own judgment rather than that of appointed or elected authorities and there wasn't (and still isn't) any enforceable recourse.

We could debate what is the proper length of and conditions of any quarantine or other precautions but that is a matter better discussed by medical professionals. The political battl was over the inability of the authorities to enforce precautions on a defiant worker who self-proclaimed she was safe.

Self proclaimed? She was tested negative. Or did she lie, or perhaps the bbc lied?

Again link please?

Would you stay in quarantine at the behest of a politician even though the medical authorities said you posed no risk?

Sounding like a broken record now.

The facts as I can ascertain it are (according to the reference I have provided)

She developed symptoms, she stayed in quarantine. She was not tested positive. The symptoms subsided, she was declared and tested medically safe. Quarantine was no longer required.

Any other arguments are moot unless you have referenced facts to dispute any of this. Memory and hearsay are not substantive enough.

 

[mountainm]

To the point where you actually have thread debating whether or not a chisel is a banned weapon. Imagine someone losing their liberty over that risk.

Straw man.

 

[santaman2000]

Self proclaimed? She was tested negative. Or did she lie, or perhaps the bbc lied?.....

She tested negative once. But she self proclaimed that was enough rather than waiting for authorities to order and get results from another test to confirm results. Did the BBC lie? I've never known them to; but I have known them to leave out facts they considered unimportant.

 

[santaman2000]

......She developed symptoms, she stayed in quarantine. She was not tested positive. The symptoms subsided, she was declared and tested medically safe.....

She was declared safe by herself and not the medical authorities.

 

[santaman2000]

Straw man.

Straw man? Somebody who buys a weapon with the intent to sell it on immediately to somebody not allowed to buy it?

 

[mountainm]

She tested negative once. But she self proclaimed that was enough rather than waiting for authorities to order and get results from another test to confirm results. Did the BBC lie? I've never known them to; but I have known them to leave out facts they considered unimportant.

Which follows safety guidance from the WHO. If you have no symptoms, therefore not contagious (and this is backed up by a negative test) and the quarantine was self imposed and entirely voluntary. Why the hell not?

 

[mountainm]

Straw man? Somebody who buys a weapon with the intent to sell it on immediately to somebody not allowed to buy it?

No the fact that not allowing people to own assualt rifles leads to arguments over chisels. Oooooh arguments. Bedlam I tell you!

 

[mountainm]

She was declared safe by herself and not the medical authorities.

She was tested negative for ebola. As far as I know you can't buy an ebola testing kit from the pharmacist.

 

[santaman2000]

I avoid public loos because I believe them to be unhygienic and rather grubby, tbh.

Aeroplanes have tiny loos, so do trains and buses…..supposing someone who was not feeling maybe as well as they might ended up on a plane, and supposing in the cramp quarters, etc., that they weren't as clean as they might be about cleaning up and washing hands etc.,
Is that enough to spread the 'body fluids' around ? Is that enough to pass on ebola ?
Or trains, where the toilet empties out onto the track (do they still permit that ? ) supposing the not quite feeling as well as they might person availed themselves of public loos….where's the bleach……

M

Yeah. My "coughing on the buffet" post was meant to be just one example of many possible scenarios.

Despite my comments to the contrary, I agree with many on here that the risks are actually low and that the treatment in the industrialized world makes the prognosis much more favorable.

My arguments are against one self centered nurse who had an axe to grind and placed herself above the authorities (successfully I might add)

 

[santaman2000]

She was tested negative for ebola. As far as I know you can't buy an ebola testing kit from the pharmacist.

Yes, the authorities tested her and she tested negative. That's not the same thing as "declaring her safe" and you very well know that. that would only occur after another test to confirm the first. I suspect you know that as well.

 

[santaman2000]

Which follows safety guidance from the WHO. If you have no symptoms, therefore not contagious (and this is backed up by a negative test) and the quarantine was self imposed and entirely voluntary. Why the hell not?

The quarantine was not voluntary. It was ordered and she defied it.

 

[mountainm]

Yes, the authorities tested her and she tested negative. That's not the same thing as "declaring her safe" and you very well know that. that would only occur after another test to confirm the first. I suspect you know that as well.

The WHO above declares unless someone exhibits symptoms they pose no risk. Her fever subsided and she tested negative. Who should she wait for to call her and give her the A-OK? If the WHO can't get it right them maybe the Sky really is falling in.

 

[mountainm]

The quarantine was not voluntary. It was ordered and she defied it.

Unenforceable == Voluntary

 

[santaman2000]

No the fact that not allowing people to own assualt rifles leads to arguments over chisels. Oooooh arguments. Bedlam I tell you!

People here don't own assault rifle either. At least very, very few who can pass class 3 checks and afford a hefty license. Add to that that there's never been an assault carried out with one. (No. An AR15 is not an assault rifle)

 

[santaman2000]

The WHO above declares unless someone exhibits symptoms they pose no risk. Her fever subsided and she tested negative. Who should she wait for to call her and give her the A-OK? If the WHO can't get it right them maybe the Sky really is falling in.

So you wish to surrender your sovereignty to the WHO? I doubt you'll find a lot of support; here or there.

As for who should she wait for; well the authority that issued the quarantine (just for the record, it wasn't the WHO)

 

[santaman2000]

Unenforceable == Voluntary

Not really the same. She was ordered.

 

[mountainm]

People here don't own assault rifle either. At least very, very few who can pass class 3 checks and afford a hefty license. Add to that that there's never been an assault carried out with one. (No. An AR15 is not an assault rifle)

No it isnt. But it may as well be. It was designed for killing large amounts of people.

The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a small arms rifle for the United States armed forces.

Not for hunting. Self defence? From what? An armed invasion?

 

[mountainm]

Not really the same. She was ordered.

By whom?......

 

[rik_uk3]

People here don't own assault rifle either. At least very, very few who can pass class 3 checks and afford a hefty license. Add to that that there's never been an assault carried out with one. (No. An AR15 is not an assault rifle)

Well, sort of

"Correction, December 20, 2012: This post originally and incorrectly referred to the AR-15 semi-automatic as an "assault rifle." Though the AR-15 could be correctly referred to as an "assault weapon" or an "assault-style rifle," an "assault rifle" specifically refers to a rifle with fully automatic firing capability. The language in the post has been corrected to reflect this distinction."

"Adam Lanza killed 26 students and teachers at Sandy Hook School with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle."

Source: http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/20..._a ssault_rifles_are_there_in_ame rica.html


So, who's doing a group buy on Hazmat suits

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