Bushcraft accidents research
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It's why I don't like those heart rate monitors you get on some watches. The last thing you want is the extra worry of the death tone as yer heart stops in the middle of now-where!
When I realised the buckle on my back-pack's chest strap was not actually connected all I could hear was myself saying oh crap oh crap oh crap
In the nordic countries the three most common types of deadly accidents in the wild are fall accidents, drowning accidents (mostly people trying to ford a river) and hypothermia (in the winter months).
None of these accidents can be alleviated by first aid kits.
//Kim Horsevad
None of these accidents can be alleviated by first aid kits.
//Kim Horsevad
Death from any accident is impossible to alleviate; with or without a 1st aid kit. But falls can result in lesser injuries than death that can be alleviated; and hypothermia can also be alleviated IF the 1st aid kit contains a blanket and/or chemical heating devise. If I spent any time in the outdoors in a Nordic country, mine would certainly contain both.
My point is that more or less any problem which can be alleviated by a layperson using the contents of a standard first aid kit isn't all that serious. The priorities are different when you are in the mouintains - days or even weeks from help. The standard first aid kit contains no products which will have any conclusive effect on injuries which at all are survivable under the actual conditions.
The blanket will do you no good in a howling snowstom in the mountains. The space blankets included in First Aid kits are torn to shreds in seconds in these conditions. The proper equipment is called a "Vindsäck" in swedish - it will withstand the wind. Combined with one or two tealights it is a good solution.
Vindsæk / Vindsäck from Hilleberg: http://hilleberg.se/sv/product/vindsäck
Photo from Hillebergs website.
//Kim Horsevad
If the casualty is unconscious for any reason then simply opening their airway may save their life. If a faceshield from your FAK means that you perform CPR to good effect then thats a positive outcome from having a FAK. We can all think of things that you can not prepare for and that you can do nothing for no matter what. The important point is to encourage training and that people are encouraged to carry a FAK that compliments what they are doing and other kit carried, i.e. sleeping bags, walking aids etc.
Survey done. We carry a trauma kit in the car just in case. So packing a kit while in the bush is a no brainer for me.
Really depends on what you call a standard 1st aid kit I suppose. I think most here on the forum pack their own. And I've been on snowstorms in the mountains. And hurricanes on the beach.
One thing that's worth thinking about is "Can you actually use the items in your kit?" There are lots of folk carrying kits who have no idea how to use all the items in them effectively. Can you do CPR, recovery position, stem rapid blood loss, safely immobilise an injured limb?
A first aid course or at least properly studying the relevant books would do most of us some good, even just as a refresher as I found things had changed rapidly since my first course.
A first aid course or at least properly studying the relevant books would do most of us some good, even just as a refresher as I found things had changed rapidly since my first course.
Its not a bad idea to carry some stuff for other people to use on you if required (after all its only polite not to assume they'll use their own
The kinds of thing you mentioned Goatboy are dead on. I think in the UK, except for a few remote places, you aim to be able to keep someone alive until "proper" help arrives. Unless you're the "proper" person yourself, of course.
The kinds of thing you mentioned Goatboy are dead on. I think in the UK, except for a few remote places, you aim to be able to keep someone alive until "proper" help arrives. Unless you're the "proper" person yourself, of course.
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It was one of the questions was it not?
anyway I've done it
look forward to the published results
Could well have been, I'm afraid I haven't retained the form in my head. It's just I've known many folks in the past that think carrying a first aid kit is all you need to do. Someone will be there to make it all better for you as they've been mollycoddled their whole life.
I was shocked by the number of things that had changed from what was considered good practice when I first did a first aid course back in the early 80's. Also some equipment and medications have changed. I'm as bad as everyone else wanting to play at the nice things in our hobby like chopping wood, lighting fires and cooking nice things to eat. But especially for those of us who like to go off on our own then being able to look after oneself should it all go wrong is easily overlooked. Like when I was a tree feller, we had to carry a large wound dressing on our belts in case of an accident. There was a very real school of thought that it was window dressing as most of the squad either wouldn't know what to do or be in such shock that if you were in need of a dressing that size you were toast.
The only dangerous bit for most people is the vehicle journey to/from the site, but there was no option for 'Multiple trauma resulting from road traffic collision'
Number 75 from my checklist of 120.
Number 75 from my checklist of 120.
Done and dusted. Interesting to hear of the outcome. I was lucky in that work put me through the SLEEC trauma and resus training, very intense and stressful 4 days with 3 assessed moualges and an exam. The 3 day First aid at work course has taken a backward step in not having an assessment, apparently trainees found it too stressful!
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