Interesting idea that all beliefs should be respected and if you don't then you must be filled with hate which is demonstrably untrue. Roman Catholics have a phrase "hate the sin not the sinner" and I suppose the rational version of that is to dislike, not as strong as hate, the belief but not the believer. Of course if they intrude their beliefs into the public sphere and request special privileges because it is a belief then all bets are off.
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Thought I might as well after Wayland's personal attack which opened it up again.
Elen Sentier
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So does my vet ... and the local farmers who have her out to sort the sheep, cows, pigs hens, etc with this weirdo, unproven, load of snake-oil. Farmers are real easy to fool, of course !!! And of course all the animals have been reading the book about placebos so they can act right when she gives them a pill full of nothing !!! Then there's all the racehorse owners who hire people like my hubby to do radionics on their racehorses - real gullible lot they are too !!! And so the lists go on ... we're a regerler back'ard load of hicks out here, y'know !!!
Oh and hubby was a scientist at the Rutherford Appleton Lab, just so you get the idea what kind of a gullible hick he is too
... Tesla is one of his heroes, Sal.Oh and the vet uses accupuncture on the farm animals too ... the farmers pay up just fine !!!
Oh and I've been hired by big computer and electrical companies to find electircal cabling for them by dowsing ... sigh !!!
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Elen Sentier
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
It can work with or without physical contact, Sal, and from miles away. Healing (as opposed to curing) rather reminds me of an energy version of micorriza ...
Glad you made a recovery.
If I had skills like the ones mentioned here I'd definitely claim the $1 million prize up for grabs at the James Randi Foundation.
If I had skills like the ones mentioned here I'd definitely claim the $1 million prize up for grabs at the James Randi Foundation.
initially i just wanted to relay an incident that had a rather nice ending, its a shame i find myself again having to take flak and defend something i hold dear. as an example, would a staunch catholic stand for this interrogation and ridicule? is that calling any more valid or believable? absolutely not.
and before a Mod closes me down, may i say this was never to be a fractious debate or to involve any particular belief, thats not allowed and i am aware of that. it was merely used to illustrate how circumstances led one person to help another.
and before a Mod closes me down, may i say this was never to be a fractious debate or to involve any particular belief, thats not allowed and i am aware of that. it was merely used to illustrate how circumstances led one person to help another.
TurboGirl
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Gotta love Wiki at times like this
You refer to the symbiotic 'facillitating' between the patient and the conventional medicine? I bet the scientists who first theorized about microrriza were skating on the edge of scientific belief themselves for a good while
You stick with us, Steve, your OP is a great example of the goodness around and all the Gods (True and false
) know that we need that 
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Elen Sentier
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Well I was talking about how the energy works, in a similar way to how the micorriza work. And yes, it's fairly recent since it became "acceptable" to talk about micorriza in horticulture, certainly was right on the edge when I was training at Pershore LOL, now Kew and the RHS love the stuff 
I remember watching a film with Robin Williams where he plays the part of a real life doctor who used to do daft things to make his patients laugh. Can't remember the name of it, but the methods he employed certainly made a difference to his patients.
Under the rules of the Forum a Catholic would not have to defend their beliefs because they are protected by the rules.
If that is to be accepted then there is a strong case to say that your beliefs should be protected in exactly the same way as they are just as valid.
If that is to be accepted then there is a strong case to say that your beliefs should be protected in exactly the same way as they are just as valid.
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thank you, at last a sane voice, its something i have discussed privately here with several Mods, it would be nice to be afforded the same protection.
TurboGirl
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
I agree that laughter is good, and the gallows humour refered to earlier but I think at this point in the thread, a lot of people are commenting without reading the OP though, only on a smaller selection of veiws that they've seen out of context. Human nature rears its misguided head again, eh?!
but I think at this point in the thread, a lot of people are commenting without reading the OP though, only on a smaller selection of veiws that they've seen out of context. Human nature rears its misguided head again, eh?!If someone claimed that the other day in the woods they produced fire by spontaneous combustion after mystical motions of the hand would we have to accept that without comment or critique? Even if these attacked people's belief in spontaneous combustion? The fact that there is a natural sympathy with somebody who was ill doesn't mean that any claims made during the episode should be accepted without question and if claimed in an open forum are legitimately open to challenge.
i think boatman that is the point, in isolation my 'claims' would seem a little bizzare, but as part of a much wider worldwide belief it should be protected by the forum rules. funny how billions raise not an eyebrow at a certain person parting the red sea?
TurboGirl
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Aaaaaaand peace.........
Have you a date for the CT scan? And have they pumped you up with Warfarin/ similar? no topping up the tan in this glorious weather if they have, better to stick in the shade as its solar reactive
Did you get Jims wifes contact details? !t would be so interesting to follow him up when they got him medically stabilised and I'm sure she'll be a complete advocate of how effacious the helping hand of reiki proved for her beloved
A retirement full of helping folk like that would really suit you!
