Picture the scene, its evening, my two new friends and i are sitting round our little camp fire working on our spoons, when a chap steps in and sit next to me and says " looking good, but i dont think you should be carving the side profile till youve finished the shape, Here let me show you what I mean" It was Ray who was comming visiting all the groups for a chat(and a young lads cattail roots) so I give my spoon shaped log, and while he is carving whoping chips from it he says" You know i shouldnt do this, during the last prim tech course i offerd to help a lady with the tillering of here bow, she had put days of work into it, and i went and snapped it, she was distraught, so i had to give her one" you can see whats comming cant you, I bit my lip having already been labele a **** taking git, couldnt resist so i piped up " And a bow" i even nunged him in the ribs, he didnt even miss a beat and carried on with my spoon, I looked across the fire to see Ray G crying and hoding his mouth to stop laughing out loud(i think it was at me than the joke, as my face showed how much of a prat i felt) when Ray had finished, he gave me my now completed spoon and said "dont let them take the knife David, its our tool, and it should remain that way" and wounderd of to have a cuppa with Dan, he also told us a story involving young Dan and an incounter with a lion, brilliant, but i can only tell you that face to face as it requires sound effects,