Abrupt awakening

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verloc

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Jun 2, 2008
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Quick update as my home broadband is deader than a dead thing in deadsville so I am posting this from work before legging it for the bus - nice to see something actually happened from it.......

Just got this letter,

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Shewie

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Dec 15, 2005
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I agree with Barn Owl, sounds like the officers in question have been educated now.

Good on you for following it up Verloc, it sounds like it`s had a good effect on the Super
 

Doc

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Good result.

I do believe that Tayside Police have a good reputation for professionalism, thoroughness and being fair-minded. This just reinforces that.
 

dwardo

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Very possitive outcome, nice one for seeing it through. Strike one up for the common man !
 

reddy

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Dec 28, 2007
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Been following this fascinating thread from the beginning, though like shaman said, it shouldn't really have needed starting in the first place.

I hope to wild camp up in Scotland at some stage - one thing I've learnt from the thread is to take a copy of the wild camp legislation with me, just in case!

Well done for sticking up for your rights, (and keeping us updated) Verloc :)
 

verloc

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Jun 2, 2008
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East Lothian, Scotland
YAY and my home home adsl is working again too!!

yes I have been very impressed with the outcome and I certainly was not expecting that letter - big grins all round, and now hopefully no need to order our t-shirts with the relevant parts of the act printed on the back ;)

but seriously great thanks to Tayside Police for restoring the faith :)

Tom
 

Mooseman1

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Dec 22, 2008
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Man that sucks, i can see it from the locals point of view, probably not that many cars and got alarmed for your safety, but if it was the landowner who caught you guys and then called the cops them thats a little too much.

Shame as it looks like a real nice spot.
 

Flasheart

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When the Lord was creating peace officers, he was into his sixth day of
overtime when an angel appeared and said,
"You're doing a lot of fiddling around on this one."

And the Lord said, "Have you read the spec on this order? A police officer has
to be able to run five miles through alleys in the dark, scale walls, enter
homes the health inspector wouldn't touch, and not wrinkle his uniform.

"He has to be able to sit in an undercover car all day on a stakeout, cover a
homicide scene that night, canvass the neighborhood for witnesses,
and testify in court the next day.

"He has to be in top physical condition at all times, running on black coffee
and half-eaten meals. And he has to have six pairs of hands."

The angel shook her head slowly and said, "Six pairs of hands... no way."

"It's not the hands that are causing me problems," said the Lord, "it's the
three pairs of eyes an officer has to have."

"That's on the standard model?" asked the angel.

The Lord nodded. One pair that sees through a bulge in a pocket before he asks,
"May I see what's in there, sir?" (When he already knows and wishes he'd taken
that accounting job.) "Another pair here in the side of his head for his
partners' safety. And another pair of eyes here in front that can look
reassuringly at a bleeding victim and say, 'You'll be all right ma'am, when he knows it isn't so."

"Lord," said the angel, touching his sleeve, "rest and work on this tomorrow."

"I can't," said the Lord, "I already have a model that can talk a 250 pound
drunk into a patrol car without incident and feed a family of five on a civil service paycheck."

The angel circled the model of the peace officer very slowly, "Can it think?" she asked.

"You bet," said the Lord. "It can tell you the elements of a hundred crimes;
recite the caution in its sleep; detain, investigate, search, and arrest
a gang member on the street in less time than it takes five learned judges to
debate the legality of the stop... and still it keeps its sense of humor.

This officer also has phenomenal personal control. He can deal with crime
scenes painted in hell, coax a confession from a child abuser, comfort a murder
victim's family, and then read in the daily paper how law enforcement isn't
sensitive to the rights of criminal suspects."

Finally, the angel bent over and ran her finger across the cheek of the peace
officer. "There's a leak," she pronounced. "I told you that you were trying to
put too much into this model."

"That's not a leak," said the lord, "it's a tear."

"What's the tear for?" asked the angel.

"It's for bottled-up emotions, for fallen comrades, for commitment to that
funny piece of cloth called the American flag, for justice."

"You're a genius," said the angel.

The Lord looked somber. "I didn't put it there," he said.






and you complained because one of them said "Not at work today lads?"

Perspective please.....complaints of this nature pile up and eventually a Cop becomes too fearful of reprisal to do their job effectively.

Rather than get rank involved, a quiet word with the Officer may have gone a long way.

Still, its good in theory that we are in a society where we can complain....I just don't think everyone should exercise it all the time.
 

Toddy

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Clearly this touches you somewhat Flasheart.

Read the thread; it touches every single Scot.
It needed clarified, it needed to be courteously addressed.

It was, the result is even handed.

Toddy
 

Flasheart

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No...I am just offering the other side. I also stated "Still, its good in theory that we are in a society where we can complain". Just my opinion, but hey...opinions are like toe cheese....everyone has one.

Lets remember though:

1. Fire without permission

2. Illegal number plate "so effectively the car ive been driving the past week was illegal."

3. Joe Public reported "dodgy" car and Police investigated

4. One cop seemed good natured and had a chat. He was even labelled "Good cop" by the thread author. (But both were complained about)

Lets complain where we have to BUT give praise where its due. If ones car is stolen and the cops find it they are heroes....if its not nicked but due to wrong plate then they are to be criticized?

Thats all.
 

MartinK9

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Dec 4, 2008
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YAY and my home home adsl is working again too!!

yes I have been very impressed with the outcome and I certainly was not expecting that letter - big grins all round, and now hopefully no need to order our t-shirts with the relevant parts of the act printed on the back ;)

but seriously great thanks to Tayside Police for restoring the faith :)

Tom

I'd Laminate a copy of that and keep it in your Bergan..
 

Toddy

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Jan 21, 2005
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This is Scotland, we have no need to have permission. It's our law.

'The police came to 'investigate ' the car, fair enough. But if you read what has been said they didn't stop there, did they ? A rational explanation, in any other circumstances one would have expected to be asked to produce papers and the like at the nearest police station within a few days. It should have been an end to the matter. It wasn't.

The actions that Verloc took were entirely appropriate, entirely justified. That the relevant area superintendant agrees and has instigated necessary training accords with that.

Toddy
 

Flasheart

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Well I do agree, I am not trying to be controversial, just trying to get things into perspective.

If the cops wanted to they could have arrested both of them for Theft of Motor Vehicle as the Reg would not have matched up with the Vin. This would make the arrest lawful. Plus the entire camp could have been searched for evidence relating to the "theft".

FYI the last release of the Police Statute books are over 11,000 pages of legislation.

Lets face it the author of the thread originally said he was not going to complain, perhaps he was egged on by others here who may have a different agenda...perhaps not. I'm just keeping an open mind
 

Toddy

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The only agenda is confidence; confidence in ourselves, in our right to responsible access, in our right not to be harassed by our police, and the assurance that a complaint would be dealt with in due order.

You are stirring, we merely encouraged that the matter be courteously addressed in a timely fashiion. It was, it has been resolved with the full agreement of all parties concerned.

Toddy
 

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