Whats this over Norway?

[HillBill]

This thread is cool, good on you all for sticking with it and not pulling it down and good on you HillBill for having impregnable skin

My wings are like a shield of steel

 

[gregorach]

Some opinions from an actual rocket scientist (or at least an "engineer working in the civil space industry"), who's also found a picture showing the launch trail for this missile:

Aliens are Hypnotizing Norway!

See the squiggly blue line leading up to the spiral? “Experts” are speculating that it is leaked fuel from a rocket of some sort. I suspect it’s simply the emission from whatever thrust mechanism was used, and that a stabilization problem on the launch vehicle caused the rocket to spiral up rather than launch straight up. I have seen this effect before, and once the instability gets large enough to be obviously visible, it’s nearly impossible for the launch vehicle to self-correct.

This instability probably produced a significant torque on the entire system, finally rupturing something on the vehicle – essentially ending the upward thrust. It’s at that point that the real show starts. The instability that shows up in the blue corkscrew imparted a rotation to the system. This rotation, plus what appears to be venting from the rupture, is what produced this extraordinary spiral in the sky.

But the Aliens were Cooler!

The inset clearly shows a perfectly normal launch trail leading up to the more bizarre imagery that we have seen. This white trail has begun to dissipate, with differing winds at different altitudes pushing the trail around until it looks irregularly jagged. Anyone who has seen a successful launch on a clear day will recognize that trail.

At the top of the trail, there is a brighter spot and the trail itself ends abruptly. I suspect this is where the anomaly likely occurred. Having seen this picture, I will revise my earlier statements and say that the upward thrust probably ceased at this point. The remainder of the upward motion was simply from the rocket’s momentum. The blue trail is likely fuel venting from the first stage.

At the end of the blue trail, something changes. It could be that a second stage on the rocket ignited autonomously (most launches are run by an onboard script…you don’t want to have to try to command something that complex by hand), or simply that the torque got too large and created venting as I suggested before. Either way, the rotation had already been imparted to the system. Once there was some sort of thrust (engine firing, massive venting) the spiral started to form.

Of course, she's probably part of the NWO too...

 

[Draven]

Not only that but the beam starts at the horizon and travels up ( towards) if it was going away it would have started at the top of the pic and travelled away beyond the horizon

Actually, the article you posted and the article I read all stated that the blue beam came out of center of the larger spiral, not the other way round. Also, contrails (or similar) expand and float out as they age, they do not narrow. If it's a projection, assuming that it's not a false perspective (a 2d image made to look 3d), that doesn't explain the blue spiral at all, as I personally have never seen a projector, flashlight or laser beam that sent light into a spiral.

Also note that both the spirals are slightly transparent, which contributes to the difficulty in analysing the picture as pointed out by Gregorach; since you can see each spiral over/through the other spiral, you can't tell from the photos whether the blue spiral is coming towards you or going away. The blue spiral is very faint at the center (whereas the white spiral is very bright) implying to me that either the blue spiral is behind the white spiral (and thus moving away from the camera) OR it is, as I said, behaving like a contrail, dissipating and moving apart as it ages.

And for the record, while it is true that a single rocket engine should not create a spiral, and two would create intertwined spirals (like a double helix) if there was a high-pressure jet on the side of the rocket, it could be forced into a spin that's more like a barrel role (spinning around an external axis rather than spinning around its own axis) which would account for the shape of the blue spiral, and the white spiral at the same time, even if it doesn't account for a lot else. Given that it does explain the formation of the two spirals, it's not at all 'wild and unfounded'.

Mark, you know I don't have a problem with you so I hope you don't take this personally, but you know I can't turn down a good debate if you're right I'll be the first to buy you a pint and go beat some evil illuminati behind with you :AR15firin

Pete

 

[HillBill]

Actually, the article you posted and the article I read all stated that the blue beam came out of center of the larger spiral, not the other way round. Also, contrails (or similar) expand and float out as they age, they do not narrow. If it's a projection, assuming that it's not a false perspective (a 2d image made to look 3d), that doesn't explain the blue spiral at all, as I personally have never seen a projector, flashlight or laser beam that sent light into a spiral.

Also note that both the spirals are slightly transparent, which contributes to the difficulty in analysing the picture as pointed out by Gregorach; since you can see each spiral over/through the other spiral, you can't tell from the photos whether the blue spiral is coming towards you or going away. The blue spiral is very faint at the center (whereas the white spiral is very bright) implying to me that either the blue spiral is behind the white spiral (and thus moving away from the camera) OR it is, as I said, behaving like a contrail, dissipating and moving apart as it ages.

And for the record, while it is true that a single rocket engine should not create a spiral, and two would create intertwined spirals (like a double helix) if there was a high-pressure jet on the side of the rocket, it could be forced into a spin that's more like a barrel role (spinning around an external axis rather than spinning around its own axis) which would account for the shape of the blue spiral, and the white spiral at the same time, even if it doesn't account for a lot else. Given that it does explain the formation of the two spirals, it's not at all 'wild and unfounded'.

Mark, you know I don't have a problem with you so I hope you don't take this personally, but you know I can't turn down a good debate if you're right I'll be the first to buy you a pint and go beat some evil illuminati behind with you :AR15firin

Pete

Watch the videos i posted Pete the blue beam reaches up, stops dead and starts spiraling a different pattern with an extra spiral. It aint a missile.

"The military did not confirm, however, that the failed test launch was behind the mysterious spiral lights that have baffled millions since they were spotted "

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...ussian-Bulava-missile-test.html#ixzz0ZIz9l7Tv

 

[HillBill]

All speculation mate, it says so in you links. My speculations based on actual exp of failed launches is that it wasnt a missile.

Some opinions from an actual rocket scientist (or at least an "engineer working in the civil space industry"), who's also found a picture showing the launch trail for this missile:

Aliens are Hypnotizing Norway!



But the Aliens were Cooler!



Of course, she's probably part of the NWO too...

 

[BorderReiver]

It's a pity some of the longest threads on this bushcraft forum are devoted to bolleaux.

 

[gregorach]

Yes, but it's informed speculation, from someone with expertise and experience in a relevant field, based on well-understood principles of physics and technology which is known to exist. All of your ideas about this are also speculation, but based on the assumed existence of a massive global conspiracy and some super-secret orbital holographic projection technology which I don't even believe is theoretically possible.

I know whose speculation I'm going to take more seriously.

 

[HillBill]

It's a pity some of the longest threads on this bushcraft forum are devoted to bolleaux.

Thats a matter of perception mate, nothing more. You may think its carp, which does not mean it IS carp. Only to you or anyone else who THINKS it is.

 

[sapper1]

Yes, but it's informed speculation, from someone with expertise and experience in a relevant field, based on well-understood principles of physics and technology which is known to exist. All of your ideas about this are also speculation, but based on the assumed existence of a massive global conspiracy and some super-secret orbital holographic projection technology which I don't even believe is theoretically possible.

I know whose speculation I'm going to take more seriously.

Just goes to show how some people will hide behind rhetoric .Project blue beam isn't super secret.Do a search.

 

[durulz]

Right, I've just watched news footage of the event. I've watched the moving images, I should say, not just looked at still pictures.
Of course, there's no way I, or anyone else (including you, Hillbill), can know for certain what it was. It did occur, after all, over a military base - and governments tend to be quite closed-mouthed about such things (and, hence, one of the prime reasons why theories arise).
After watching it, I must say that it didn't look to me like a light show. The spiral seemed to be dissipating. There was a regularity and neatness to the event that I have never seen before in dissipating contrails in jet aircraft (for example), but I find it easier to believe that it is a freak of nature than a sinister omen of a New World Order.
Hillbill, your sole case hinges on the idea that it was a light show in preparation for a more spectacular one where Someone will pretend we are being attacked by extra terrestrials. However. A light show seems a rather weak way of doing that and somewhat insubstantial. Of course, you will claim it's not some ordinary lightshow but something unlike we have ever known before. Which then begs the question why they would test that in a populated area of Norway where people could see it if something went wrong? You haven't addressed that. After all, They could test it anywhere on the Earth (if They are as omnipotent and powerful as you say).

 

[HillBill]

Yes, but it's informed speculation, from someone with expertise and experience in a relevant field, based on well-understood principles of physics and technology which is known to exist. All of your ideas about this are also speculation, but based on the assumed existence of a massive global conspiracy and some super-secret orbital holographic projection technology which I don't even believe is theoretically possible.

I know whose speculation I'm going to take more seriously.

You may not believe it is theoretically possible mate, but it is reality. Did you not see the link i posted earlier where they beamed a doritos advert into space? that wasnt no dodgy site mate.

You want to know how it works well its like this.

Barium or more specifically strontium barium niobate is applied to the atmosphere.
This was taken from wiki Funny thing that, it has now been deleted from wiki since i posted this on another forum, this is taken from that forum, yet is not on wiki anymore.....HMMMM

Strontium barium niobate A chemical proponent of NASA's Project Blue Beam, employed into the atmosphere via chemtrails to display holographic images in the sky. When an image is projected with lasers through a photo refractive double conjugate crystal (lens) into the SBN saturated sky, A realistic image in 3-D is produced.[11]


Found this but it also seems to have been deleted

Strontium Strontium. (ˈstrɒnʃiəm STRON | shee-əm, / ... Strontium barium niobate is used in large scale outdoors Holgraphic displays as a "screen". ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=Strontium+barium+niobate+&go=Go

Abstract: An innovative technique for generating a three dimensional holographic display using strontium barium niobate (SBN) is discussed. The resultant image is a hologram that can be viewed in real time over a wide perspective or field of view (FOV). The holographic image is free from system- induced aberrations and has a uniform, high quality over the entire FOV. The enhanced image quality results from using a phase conjugate read beam generated from a second photorefractive crystal acting as a double pumped phase conjugate mirror (DPPCM). Multiple three dimensional images have been stored in the crystal via wavelength multiplexing.
http://www.stormingmedia.us/09/0948/A094833.html

more here
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...+Search&meta=&rlz=1R2ADFA_enGB351&aq=null&oq=

http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?id=9413


You can believe its not possible if you wish, though with these links it would more a case of not wanting to admit you are incorrect on this

 

[gregorach]

Just goes to show how some people will hide behind rhetoric .Project blue beam isn't super secret.Do a search.

I did a search. All I found was a load of raving about NASA conspiracies, but no evidence that the technology actually exists or is even theoretically possible. The descriptions given don't even seem to make any sense in terms of basic optics. If you have some evidence for the existence of this technology, I'd love to hear about it.

 

[Adze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx8i5EfmYU4

Here you are sapper1 this is precisely what I was talking about.

So it is possible it was a rocket which made those effects in the sky. Precisely those effects in fact.

Oh... and the Russians have now confirmed they fired a missile at about the right time. Oh... and there was a no fly warning issued for the white sea, commensurate with such a missile launch being in the offing.

Come on fellas... the game is up.

It was a missile.

 

[HillBill]

Right, I've just watched news footage of the event. I've watched the moving images, I should say, not just looked at still pictures.
Of course, there's no way I, or anyone else (including you, Hillbill), can know for certain what it was. It did occur, after all, over a military base - and governments tend to be quite closed-mouthed about such things (and, hence, one of the prime reasons why theories arise).
After watching it, I must say that it didn't look to me like a light show. The spiral seemed to be dissipating. There was a regularity and neatness to the event that I have never seen before in dissipating contrails in jet aircraft (for example), but I find it easier to believe that it is a freak of nature than a sinister omen of a New World Order.
Hillbill, your sole case hinges on the idea that it was a light show in preparation for a more spectacular one where Someone will pretend we are being attacked by extra terrestrials. However. A light show seems a rather weak way of doing that and somewhat insubstantial. Of course, you will claim it's not some ordinary lightshow but something unlike we have ever known before. Which then begs the question why they would test that in a populated area of Norway where people could see it if something went wrong? You haven't addressed that. After all, They could test it anywhere on the Earth (if They are as omnipotent and powerful as you say).

The fact it occured over a military base only makes what i say even more plausible considering the missile that supposedly caused it came from a sub at sea.

 

[HillBill]

I did a search. All I found was a load of raving about NASA conspiracies, but no evidence that the technology actually exists or is even theoretically possible. The descriptions given don't even seem to make any sense in terms of basic optics. If you have some evidence for the existence of this technology, I'd love to hear about it.

Read my last post mate.

 

[gregorach]

Yeah, our posts crossed. I'm signing off now, but I'll have a look later.

 

[HillBill]

Yeah, our posts crossed. I'm signing off now, but I'll have a look later.

No worries mate

 

[durulz]

The fact it occured over a military base only makes what i say even more plausible considering the missile that supposedly caused it came from a sub at sea.

No it doesn't. You haven't explained the rationale behind testing such a new technology where people could witness it (as, indeed, they have). If the New World Order was as powerful as you say, made up of a cabal of the world's most powerful leaders, then there are MANY more remote places they could have chosen. Why didn't they? Why would they take an unncessary risk when they don't have to? It's these kind of fundamental questions you don't seem to have thought about and why your case is fundamentally flawed and utter nonsense. Makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[HillBill]

No it doesn't. You haven't explained the rationale behind testing such a new technology where people could witness it (as, indeed, they have). If the New World Order was as powerful as you say, made up of a cabal of the world's most powerful leaders, then there are MANY more remote places they could have chosen. Why didn't they? Why would they take an unncessary risk when they don't have to? It's these kind of fundamental questions you don't seem to have thought about and why your case is fundamentally flawed and utter nonsense. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Who is to say the test wasnt one of public reaction to it?

 

[maddave]

New Scientist says OUT OF CONTROL MISSILE

I hope I'm not affecting anyone's Tinfoil Hat business am I?

Nope.... Got one for me AND the cat !!