Bushcraft PLCE webbing

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May 28, 2009
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I was just posting this to show my current kit and ask if anybody had any suggestions.

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Here are the contents:
-frost mora knife
-bahco laplander
-compass
-hexi stove
-plasters
-sewing kit
-pain relief pills
-NATO lifeboat matches
-lighter
-dc3 sharpener
-firesteel
-whistle
-petzl headtorch
-crook knife
-notepad
-pencils
-paracord
-brew kit
-dutch amry water bottle
-metal mug
-dd hammock
-ripstop tarp (being used as background)
-configuration of PLCE/ALICE webbing and pouches
 
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I find belt kit to be a lot more comfy to carry some times than a day pack but i only use it if going out for more than one night as it never leaves me so if I loose the bergan still got kit to keep me happy till I find bergan or get found. I dont wear it when going round the country parks with the wife as the locols look at you funny.

Most of the kit you have in the picture can be carried in smock pockets and just an S10 resi pouch will do will not look so "local melitia" when out. Just my 2p worth.
Belt kit
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Pouch contents inline with the pouch
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L to R
1 FFD
2 Torch and Gloves and Carry stretcher and alcohol gel.
3 Auscam Basha with IPC pegs and GID Pegs
4 Brew kit main rats cooker and poo shovel
5 First aid kit and TB and mosi rep and spare para cord
6 Water bottle mug and lid
7 Mosi head net dry bag for GPS
8 Buck folder on para cord (I tend to drop and lose knifes)

Strap hang edc
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1 G10 watch compass and pace beads (home made)

Belt kit is Dragon supplies airbourne webbing very comfy to wear for long periods of time.

Swampy
 
I'd like to see you walk anywhere in the UK with that lot on and not get stopped if the cops see you.

Hey don't get me wrong webbing is fine but if I was landowner and saw someone with that on on my land it would be the cops straight away however if I saw them with a cammo backpack I wouldn't be so alarmed...you know what I mean?
 

gregorach

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I find most people don't even look that closely. I've certainly never been challenged about wearing webbing.
 

Melonfish

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Jan 8, 2009
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aye, webbing doesn't appear to be an issue. hell i've walked into a service station wearing full american ACU's with molle vest and mag pouches and nobody batted an eye.
but then i guess they were used to it being next to an airsoft site ;)
 
May 28, 2009
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The ALICE webbing was loaned to me from a friend in the US. The pouch in the middle was dpm so I thought it was part of the PLCE system. It may not be issued, just a commercial company using the pattern on a pouch.
 
May 28, 2009
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In the future I will probally change this kit and put every thing in either a Sleeka Force 35 Rucksack or an All-Arms Bergen
 

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hey BushcraftBaird112..hello from PHX. Arizona..ah do'nt worry about what other folks say about webbing, if it works for you thats what counts...i also use my webbing from time to time for hunting and hiking etc...its handy and i can change the pouches around to suit different needs...by the way looking at what you have the cammo pouch appears to be a U.S. Molle canteen/utility pouch and the ammo pouch on the left looks like a copy of a M-67 magazine pouch ,the cammo H-harness looks like a copy as well...again do'nt worry about what other folks say about webbing etc.. just enjoy your kit and get outdoors...vince g. 11b inf...
 

johnboy

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In the future I will probally change this kit and put every thing in either a Sleeka Force 35 Rucksack or an All-Arms Bergen

The All Arms Bergen is a henious piece of kit IMHO... The concept is a good one a sort of 'travel pack' for rear echlon troops generally operating at a fixed location or out of transport. However the execution of it is pretty poor and they are horrible things to carry any weight in when in 'Rucksack mode' . I'd avoid it at all costs. I always chuckle when I see them on Ebay with 'SAS/PARA/MARINE All Arms Bergen' as a auction title. Have a cast about on Ebay quite good well made rucksacks turn up all the time often for not much money Berghaus Dart 35's turn up quite often. Most Berghaus Munro's make reasonable money as they are well regarded.

I'm not sure why webbing seems so popular as a method of carrying kit in the civilian world?? In most respects a Daysack or Bergan is better and more practical and comfy. Plus you don't look like an extra from "Ultimate Force" or "Red Cap" while out in the woods. Still boys will be boys I guess.

Cheers

John
 

Melonfish

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Jan 8, 2009
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one question, are you using alice clips for that rig?
if so ditch em and use cable ties instead. less likely to spring open and won't dig into you like the alice clips do.
that or if you can get em grab some malice clips. they're thick black plastic clips designed to cross over the old alice to the new molle. they're fantastic tbh and go on any belt/rig/bag/strap. i swear by em (rather then at them like the alice clips)
 

RAPPLEBY2000

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Dec 2, 2003
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Hi mate,
Use webbing if you want to!

I've been using webbing sets for around 20 years all different sorts:
72", 58", ALICE, South african vest,DPM (and OG) PLCE, Arktis,

I've use it in daytime, with friends in the city(when fitness training), all over the place.

at present I Use set including genuine canvas SAS drop pouches circa 1970's
I wear it on local walks around my area. i don't dress head to foot in camo just normal earthy colours and most people just say hello, nice day etc.

about the funny comments? in 20 years i guess 10 people i don't know have said something.
(not a reason not to wear it).

If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid!;)
 

gregorach

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I'm not sure why webbing seems so popular as a method of carrying kit in the civilian world?? In most respects a Daysack or Bergan is better and more practical and comfy.

Adjusted properly and with a minimal load, it's really very comfortable. You can get at all your stuff without having to stop and take it off, and since everything is in pouches, you don't have the eternal rummage for that bit of kit that you know is in your pack somewhere... I can put my hand straight on any given item in my webbing without even looking.
 

johnboy

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Adjusted properly and with a minimal load, it's really very comfortable. You can get at all your stuff without having to stop and take it off, and since everything is in pouches, you don't have the eternal rummage for that bit of kit that you know is in your pack somewhere... I can put my hand straight on any given item in my webbing without even looking.

I know it can be comfy.. I wore it 'professionally' for a number of years often for days on end.. I'm sure if your personal admin is good then you can put your hand on that useful bit of kit in a pouch. But I'm pretty confident that a Daysack could be organized just as efficiently. For most run of the mill bushcraft would you need to wear a set of webbing or belt kit?? I can understand the bushcrafters desire for neutral tone clothing to blend in to the woodland. But slapping on a set of PLCE / ALICE or good old 58patt or a roll pin belt full of SAS drop pouches just seems a bit needless IMHO. However each to his own.
 

gregorach

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Well, I've never been able to keep a daysack that organised... Also, I do most of my bushcrafting during mutli-day camping trips, not day trips. I find it useful to be able to keep my absolute-must-have-essentials separate from my main kit, so that I can dump my main pack in camp and go off wooding, foraging or exploring with just the webbing, without having to re-organise my gear or carry both a main rucksack and a daysack. I've modified my main pack so that it uses my webbing belt as its waist belt.

As you say, each to his own.
 

RAPPLEBY2000

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Dec 2, 2003
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Well, I've never been able to keep a daysack that organised...
Dito! 100% spot on! :beerchug:

with a simple pouch you can have all the bits you need in one place and slip in odd other bits and you will be able to pick that pouch and all those items in one go.

I have tried for years to organise a bag the same way and you just can't, the closest I've come is using an ALICE rucksack and that's because it has smallish pockets, and the ability to add or take away add on pouches. PLCE Bergen works in a similar way but not as well.

If you put it in another context think of people that need similar sized kit to hand all the time but need to be able to move about like, police, builders,(and any military/police force you can name), even cyclists have pockets on their tops, and bikes etc in general they all resort to pouches (of sorts).
why don't they use a small rucksack instead?
well they could, but it would take longer to find the kit they want.
for instance only needing one hand I can find my torch/or fist aid) in the dark within seconds.
whereas if it was in my bag, It would be in the top pocket, I'd have to use both hands (letting go of what ever i was holding) take it off and rummage for it (with everything else stored in the same pocket) making sore nothing else fell out (with one hand?).

People that need similar sized kit but don't need to move far use big bags or boxes e.g. fishermen, ambulance drivers, carpenters, electricians, plumbers etc.
(but the bags/boxes they do use have loads of smaller pouches or boxes, to separate their gear).


For most run of the mill bushcraft would you need to wear a set of webbing or belt kit??
No...or wear a bush hat, wear a Swannidri, or carry a Gransfor, or use specific top draw kit...
hey what the hell, you could do Bushcraft in jeans T-shirt trainers and use a stanley knife or would that be silly?


I can understand the bushcrafters desire for neutral tone clothing to blend in to the woodland. But slapping on a set of PLCE / ALICE or good old 58patt or a roll pin belt full of SAS drop pouches just seems a bit needless IMHO.

Webbing isn't a Looks or "Camo" think as you seem to be suggesting, if it were I'd use DPM gear, or cover me and my kit in scrim. webbing to me has always been a useful tool. I'm sure a lot more people would use if it were more socially aceptable.

Weird thing is there's always been a sort of misunderstanding about people wearing webbing wanting to be a soldier or rambo etc.
yet wearing Military camo clothing has nearly always been acceptable especially for people doing outdoor work (like builders/farmers) and has been on and off fashion for years now.
 

gregorach

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Actually, I'd much prefer it if my webbing looked less military... But I'm not going to ditch a set-up that works well simply because it's insufficiently stylish.

I find it rather ironic that one of the reasons people object to webbing is that it looks "too Rambo", and assume that that's why those of us who use it are doing so. No, I'm using it because it works for me, and I'm using it in spite of its military appearance. It seems to me that the folks who are most worried about what it looks like are the ones who aren't using it - I know that in just about every thread on the subject, somebody always says "I fancy using webbing, but I don't want to look like I'm playing soldiers".

However, I do understand that it has different connotations to people who have used it professionally... To me, it's just a bunch of extra pockets.
 

RAPPLEBY2000

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Dec 2, 2003
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Yup I agree,
I'm a gardener, I use my trouser pockets to carry gear, I've tried using pouches but they'd get caught on stuff too much otherwise I'd use pouches every day.

there have been a few companies that have seen that gap in the market, a company back in the 80's called Mag mor, would make webbing pouches in red, white, or blue, (if in bulk) and another company made some similar system in black/orange.

never seen or heard of anyone using it...

I went through a stage of blackening some green pouches with spray paint because it was "too military"but ended up thinking, "I'm only doing this for other people", and stopped.

when it comes down to it it is just personal opinion,

silly thing is I'm going to do some demo's for people soon but I need to sell the idea.
In essence i'm teaching "Survival" but :27: we can't say that word
so i mentioned "Bushcraft" but then thought ray mears has been known to carry around knives axes and cut down bits of tree, well this isn't a good image for a conservation area.
so I am going to be teaching "Primative wilderness skills" instead
(it's all the same stuff just a different packet!) same as the webbing issue, it's still bags but different sizes and shapes.

If it works, it works,
 

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