Mangled and abused words and phrases

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Mikey P

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Oo! I'm on a roll now: if you are talking about things you can count, use 'fewer'. If you can't count it, use 'less'.

For example, 'I would like to carry less weight' and 'I want to end up with fewer knives in my drawer'

Also: 'draw' and 'drawer'. Come on people! Heh heh! Brilliant! I'm going to explode with pedantry...
 

decorum

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Nonsensical words and phrases do make me chuckle ~ 'Unpeel a Solero!'. Just how do you do that? 'Irregardless' ~ Regardless of the regard?!

But I do like etymology and I think that every generation complains that the youth of the day don't do things correctly ;) .

"Traditional" - something hairy, uncomfortable and lacking the benefits that technology has brought to human existence.

John Fenna to a tee! :D
 

Toddy

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I'm about to alienate all of Glasgow now but I tease my friend about this all the time. I don't know if this is common elsewhere in Scotland but, here, people say 'I done that' and 'I seen that' instead of 'I did that' or 'I saw that'. I've bloody started doing it too now!

I jest you not, this is grammatically acceptable. Seriously, because it is used consistantly, and in correct context, and is tense sensitive, it is considered to be colloquial grammar.
Still bugs me though, "I have saw that did", :shudder:

I do think many of the grammatical irritations are simply attempts at expression in a limited medium. I use the smilies, but even those are not always perceived in the same light by everyone.
The classic is the little ;) ; I think it's a gentle poke in the ribs smirk, but BR thinks it snide :dunno: I know this so I make an effort not to use it in posts directed to him, but with other people I use if freely.

It's the same thing with words; where people try to create not only the speech, but the intonation and the emotions (for instance; you're my friend, I know you'll take this the way I mean, or I'm being very polite, or I'm unhappy and putting a brave face on things) that emulate normal conversation and the social cues that accompany that conversation.

Good writing, where one reads the intent clearly without confusion, is really very rare nowadays. Technical journals are a case in point :sigh: but the babble of academia, while it may be grammatically correct, can be nightmarish to interpret.
To, too and two are small change in the scheme of things, irritating though they might be in their ability to muddle the sense of the sentence. Frankly, I think the former is worse than the latter.

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Please find below a final call for papers for a proposed TAG
2012 session, ‘Crafting-in-the-World: the temporal and spatial
dynamics of craft and its practitioners’.

Abstract:
Whilst the last two decades have witnessed a prolific interest
in craft studies, which have increasingly acknowledged the
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the body in the development and transmission of craft
traditions, there remains an uncomfortable dichotomy between
the temporal and spatial understandings of craft practice. The
abundance of existing research has traditionally focused on
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The separation of object from process has resulted in the
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spatial and temporal understandings of craft practice.

Papers for the session could address the following themes:
• Reconciling continuity and change: redundancy,
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• Spatial articulation of craft: technological ‘features’
as architecture; space shaping practices and practices shaping
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• Tangled web of technological practice: communities of
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cheers,
M
 
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Harvestman

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My problem with dialects and accents is when people ue them when speaking with people outside of their dialect pool.

The whole point of language is communication. If the person you are speaking to does not understand you, then you haven't actually said anything.

Same applies to people writing in dialect, which seems popular on here.

"Git r dun" ??!
 

Biker

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Good thread this. (God I hope that no one picks me up for incorrect grammer usage)

I have a couple of pet peeves. One is when people use the phrase "At this precise moment in time." instead of saying "now". I have a friend here who uses it constanly and it's like sandpaper over my frontal lobes when I hear it.

I'm sure a lot of these short cut phrases are a direct result of TV soaps, in particular EastEnders. I was born and bred in South East London and had a typical London accent when I later moved to Kent, soon lost it over the coming years though. But hearing that shrieking and shouting and the slang they use on it has a lot to account for how the next generations will use the english langauge and communicate.

About text speak. I read somewhere that anti-bullying posters were put up in schools and were written entirely in text speak. Apparently it was a huge success because kids actually stopped to read it and absorb the information.

As has been said Somethink instead of something.

My mother uses the word Cerstifficate instead of certificate.

Can't think of any others that haven't been mentioned already.
 

Toddy

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My problem with dialects and accents is when people ue them when speaking with people outside of their dialect pool.

The whole point of language is communication. If the person you are speaking to does not understand you, then you haven't actually said anything.

Same applies to people writing in dialect, which seems popular on here.

"Git r dun" ??!

I regularly confuse Hoodoo in the Mods simply by using words that are familiar and common among my family, friends and neighbours. Coggle was the last one I used on the forum. I thought it was perfectly ordinary English, and only when someone commented did I go and look it up, only to discover that it was a Scottish word :rolleyes: we really do make an effort to write in clear English; believe me you'd soon know if we didn't :D I suspect that this effort is pretty widespread among the membership.

cheers,
M
 

santaman2000

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I regularly confuse Hoodoo in the Mods simply by using words that are familiar and common among my family, friends and neighbours. Coggle was the last one I used on the forum. I thought it was perfectly ordinary English, and only when someone commented did I go and look it up, only to discover that it was a Scottish word :rolleyes: ...

Trust me Mary, you use loads of words which would be totally meaningless to me if there wasn't the context given by the rest of the paragragh.
 

decorum

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... using words that are familiar and common among my family, friends and neighbours. Coggle was the last one I used on the forum. I thought it was perfectly ordinary English, and only when someone commented did I go and look it up, only to discover that it was a Scottish word :rolleyes:

It's the context Mary. I like colloquialisms, like most here, you provide a good framework around the 'Scotticisms'. Few of us have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the English language and 'how she is spoke'. In general if I don't know a word or phrase I'll either look it up or ask (as with coggle, a good word which has now been borrowed on a permanent basis :D ). However, those who write mainly in fore-shortened dialect, providing no context to work from and making no effort to be understood by anyone outside of their region are skimmed past and ignored.
 

British Red

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As a thought, the thread seems to be about words that are mangled or abused rather than mangled and abused. :D
 

Adze

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Grammar is the difference between
Your muck
and
You're muck

Re Grammar - there's a similar phrase to do with punctuation.

"Good punctuation and syntax is the difference between helping your uncle, Jack, :cop: PLAY NICE. :cop:"

EDIT: re-edited so it's a little more obvious which bit of the post was edited by the moderator /EDIT

I'm sure you can work out the rest :D
 
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launditch1

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Ahh, you should see the fast food joint near me then..they sell burger's, Frie's, drink's, :rolleyes:

This one more of a bugbear to me: 'Can i get a coffee?'
No!You cant!I'm serving you..i will get the coffee, not you.:D

[video=youtube;N4vf8N6GpdM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM[/video]
 

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