Physical conditioning with heavy backpack

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lub0

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Hey all, I should really of mentioned some time ago that I'm already capable of carrying very heavy loads, just not for super-long distances. I'm certain that I'm not doing my joints any harm because firstly as already stated I'm no stranger to carrying heavy loads and secondly wouldn't I feel joint pain before any damage could take place? All I feel is perfectly normal muscle burn, and It takes my leg muscles just a night sleep to recover, or 2 days rest to recover 100%... so I'm recovering rapidly between walks. I think I'll wait for the Vulcan to arrive before doing another walk, though! Can't wait to see for myself if the ALICE really is a stone-age design as so many people here seem to think.
 

santaman2000

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...I've got a microfibre towel already. I'm bringing it because it's light and packs small, but I hate them cos they are about as absorbant as a plastic bag!

I gotta say then that you must have a rally cheap one; mines as absorbent as a sponge.
 

santaman2000

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...As for the advice on walking the distance before carrying any weight, I disagree in that what's the point? Why not kill two birds with one stone and get straight to the point of the exercise and go the distance carrying the loads you intend to. I and pretty much anyone of average fitness could walk 22 miles even with a day-pack type of weight on their back, so why do I need to train to walk 22 miles with next to no weight on my back!?!...

Really? The "average" person to day can walk 22 miles? News to me. The average GI yes, the average "person" no. Not in the Western,industrialized world. Maybe YOU can and I can but thatdon't make it "average."

But back on point as to your training. When you begin free weight training do you immediately try to bench press thw weight you intend to do in competition? Or do you increase gradually? I think you know the right answer for this.
 

cbr6fs

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Hey all, I should really of mentioned some time ago that I'm already capable of carrying very heavy loads, just not for super-long distances. I'm certain that I'm not doing my joints any harm because firstly as already stated I'm no stranger to carrying heavy loads and secondly wouldn't I feel joint pain before any damage could take place? All I feel is perfectly normal muscle burn, and It takes my leg muscles just a night sleep to recover, or 2 days rest to recover 100%... so I'm recovering rapidly between walks. I think I'll wait for the Vulcan to arrive before doing another walk, though! Can't wait to see for myself if the ALICE really is a stone-age design as so many people here seem to think.

The advice and experience is in this thread it's entirely your choice who you listen to and if you follow it.

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boatman

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Don't see why a normal person couldn't walk 22 miles. When I used to do challenge walks of 25 in 8 hours over the Wiltshire Downs there were people who trained and those who hadn't but most finished. Of course the unfit might well have had cramps and felt sore next day. As I did once having done it in heavy leather hobnailed boots, hot sunny weather.
 

santaman2000

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Don't see why a normal person couldn't walk 22 miles. When I used to do challenge walks of 25 in 8 hours over the Wiltshire Downs there were people who trained and those who hadn't but most finished. Of course the unfit might well have had cramps and felt sore next day. As I did once having done it in heavy leather hobnailed boots, hot sunny weather.

Because "normal" people rarely walk more that a few hundred yards a day now; and that down an indoor carpeted hallway with a doughnut in their hand. Because he's talking about doing it for 12 days straight. Beacause "normal" people don't do "challenge walks." "Normal" people are urban, indoor types; we're the "abnormal" ones on this forum.
 

Andy BB

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I could do 22 miles.

of course, 21 miles of that would be in an ambulance....................................
 

lub0

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wattsy

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Because "normal" people rarely walk more that a few hundred yards a day now; and that down an indoor carpeted hallway with a doughnut in their hand. Because he's talking about doing it for 12 days straight. Beacause "normal" people don't do "challenge walks." "Normal" people are urban, indoor types; we're the "abnormal" ones on this forum.

I have to say that in the UK walking is the third most popular outdoor activity, this isn't America where people jump in their cars to drive the 300 yards to the shop
 

andybysea

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I know plenty of people in my village,who get in there 4x4's to drive there kids .5 of a mile to school,the whole village itself is only about a mile across, its real bad when the school has walk to school weeks,were then the same parents drive the kids to a carpark 300 yrds from the school and the kids then ''walk to school'' from there.
 

BillyBlade

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I know plenty of people in my village,who get in there 4x4's to drive there kids .5 of a mile to school,the whole village itself is only about a mile across, its real bad when the school has walk to school weeks,were then the same parents drive the kids to a carpark 300 yrds from the school and the kids then ''walk to school'' from there.

Thats so sad. We're getting more like America every day :(

I'll never forget Mr & Mrs American standing looking dumbly at the broken moving pavement in Las Vegas, horrified at the thought of actually having to walk more than the length of themselves. Dear God, please dont ever let the UK get it THAT badly wrong.
 

rik_uk3

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Our local village School had to tell parents to NOT drive to School, so many were doing so it was blocking off road access. Lots of the Children live only a five minute walk away but mom has to drive them :( In the end the council double yellowed the approach to the School.
 

sandsnakes

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If no one has mentioned it. If you are packing dehydrated meals, empty them all into one ziplock bag, you can dump half a kilo in carry weight that way. If its three distinct meals-3 bags. Eat your main meal in the morning, if its dehydrated rice, soak overnight, makes it cook very quickly. Carry 'Low-Salt' its a combination of potassium and sodium and almost tastes like salt.

hmmm thats it, you got some dam good advice here. I would say train your distance then your weight, this will give a better idea of the distance you can travel on a good day and when you are 'cream crackered'.

Your plans will probably change when you walk depending on circumstances i.e. weather, landslides, aliens, hangovers, a stinker of a cold.. oh yes where's the DMSO for aches and flu capsules? Under stress and fatigue you get ill quicker, so consdider that option and what your break point is.

oh yes, why distance then weight. With weight you are training your entire system under compression, this increases wear and tear to joints and joint capsules. It can also create short bulky muscles, ideal for weight lifting not walking, etc, etc . Without weight you will lenghten and stretch muscles adding the weight after will increas the bulk. Notice that weight lifters (28kg pack is weight lifting) do not wander round with there weights.. also look for the body belts and blown knees.



Good luck and have fun, sounds like a jim dandy trip.

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santaman2000

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I have to say that in the UK walking is the third most popular outdoor activity, this isn't America where people jump in their cars to drive the 300 yards to the shop

I'm well aware of that; I lived there for 4 years. I still maintain that while walking may well be the third most popular "outdoor" activity the vast majority aren't into "outdoor activities. Rather like saying that the Ford Crown Victoria is the most popular police car. So what; not that many people buy police cars.
 

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