Why was the 'Why prepare' thread shut down..?

[Chips]

I think because, like religion it is an area where peoples views are so entrenched that a civil debate is almost impossible to have. Any thread on these subjects I have seen has always become full of personal insults and short on reasoned debate.

I am a member of quite a few forums, all of which except this one will discuss politics. I can argue pretty well, but I don't insult. Every forum except this one seems to manage politics discussions well, with no personal insults.

Maybe this says something about BCUK posters. In my experience, alot of them tend to be slightly isolated and less sociable than average. Perhaps also they use computers less than the average person, so are less familiar with etiquette.

And I have had a lot of people trying to lure me into slanging matches. I can control myself. A lot of people seem to type offensive comments, followed by , as if this makes it acceptable. The tone of your comment does not transmit well over the internet.


I would say don't close this thread. Then it's just another victory for the people who post with the intention of getting threads closed. I say ban the members who start insulting others. I would also say that you should try allowing a thread on politics, is it explicitily banned in the rules anywhere? If not, do the mods mind if I create one? I hope people have enough sense to debate sensibly.

 

[spiritofold]

Definately close it now

 

[spamel]

Definately close it now

 

[British Red]

The loss of Jon is reason enough to close it - he will be sadly missed by me at elast and I for one learned a lot from both his patience and his deep knowledge on many topics.

It saddens me that people with so much to share leave

Close it

Red

 

[Chips]

I think it does need to be clearer, you misrepresent me in saying that this subject and others like it are a welcome subject, far from it, this thread is being tolerated. There are plenty of other sites and forums that cater for survivalism as the main part of their existence. The odd thread on here is fine but the amount of rubbish that come with the subject is unacceptable. This is a bushcraft website that caters for bushcraft interests and not survivalism, it does cater for survivial skills, knowledge etc but it does not cater for many of the attitudes and subject matters that make up the general term of survivalism.

It's a hard line to draw on where they overlap and that causes problems because it's based on opinion but I hope that make things a little clearer. I'm closing this thread down as it's gone way off subject, it's not worked out and I think that too many will see it as an opportunity to talk survival when we are a bushcraft website.

This was posted by Tony. I just had one question.

The subforum the "Why Prepare" thread was posted in was "Bushcraft and survival skills."

Surely talk about survival should be allowed, in a subforum called "bushcraft and survival skills"?

If you don't welcome talk about survival, should you not rename the subforum name, as it is misleading?

 

[Chips]

The loss of Jon is reason enough to close it - he will be sadly missed by me at elast and I for one learned a lot from both his patience and his deep knowledge on many topics.

It saddens me that people with so much to share leave

Close it

Red

I passionately disagree. Just because a member decides to leave because of a thread, the thread should be closed? No, I think this is a bad idea. If you disagree with a thread (that isn't racist or similar), don't try and get it closed, just don't read it.

 

[MagiKelly]

If the worst they have done on this site is earn the emnity of a fancy dress childrens entertainer then they havent come out of this too badly off.

Insults again

I thought he was referring to someone else Gary...

Might have been me but I neither use fancy dress nor do children's parties.

My guess is it is of course aimed at Wayland. As has been said it seems that insults instead of debate is becoming the norm here. Especially if you insult someone's team.

6000 it goes up every time you mention that stat Gary,

More of the same. The number of children Wayland teaches is important how? And perhaps he is covering more schools each year and that is why the figure is going up but of course that would not be as much fun to point out as to suggest he is a lier.

You say about some of the longer standing members not posting any more is it any wonder when theres always some googlemeister ready to urinate on the more experienced's camp fire or give some view that some one already gave in a previous post,

My translation of this seems to be that longer standing members should not be disagreed with. Can't really see that helping things. Are you suggesting a minimum qualification for posting contrary views or should the infallible members have some badge to identify that their views are not to be challenged.

 

[Ahjno]

Close it if you want, but that won't close some of the underlying issues raised, they will surface again on another thread

I'm not leaving the forum, but as of now, I've removed it from my bookmarks

Sorry to hear that Rik ...
Regarding the underlying issues ... I don't see any positive contribution in this thread to sort these.

I am a member of quite a few forums, all of which except this one will discuss politics. I can argue pretty well, but I don't insult. Every forum except this one seems to manage politics discussions well, with no personal insults.

Maybe this says something about BCUK posters. In my experience, alot of them tend to be slightly isolated and less sociable than average. Perhaps also they use computers less than the average person, so are less familiar with etiquette.

And I have had a lot of people trying to lure me into slanging matches. I can control myself. A lot of people seem to type offensive comments, followed by , as if this makes it acceptable. The tone of your comment does not transmit well over the internet.


I would say don't close this thread. Then it's just another victory for the people who post with the intention of getting threads closed.

That's what I thought of aswell during dinner (see I'm even thinking about this blimmin thread when I'm eating - can't be healthy, can it?!) Therefor I'll lock it virtually

I say ban the members who start insulting others.

I'd say: PM me with what you want to say about these members and who they are in your opinion. Every bit helps to sort this madness

I would also say that you should try allowing a thread on politics, is it explicitily banned in the rules anywhere?

Yes it is. Check the rules & regs section.

If not, do the mods mind if I create one? I hope people have enough sense to debate sensibly.

Yes, we do (for now) - contact Tony about it, he makes the rules and ownes the forum. But I think he's been pretty clear in his BIG post somewhere here in this thread.
Every political post made at this moment will be simply removed, untill Tony gives his approval for it.

Thread VIRTUALLY locked
I think its best to step away from this thread, start posting bushcrafty things and Anyone who thinks otherwise or wants to have a say: PM me or a another mod. Let this thread drift into the dark corners of the BCUK archive - and hope it'll never

And since this thread is locked - this is the last post made.

 

[spamel]

This was posted by Tony. I just had one question.

The subforum the "Why Prepare" thread was posted in was "Bushcraft and survival skills."

Surely talk about survival should be allowed, in a subforum called "bushcraft and survival skills"?

If you don't welcome talk about survival, should you not rename the subforum name, as it is misleading?

No it's not. Nobody can agree on what Bushcraft means anyway, but we all understand the topic that will be discussed in that forum. Also, you have seen the posts made by Moderators and Tony about how far they wish to take survival on the forums. It seems you want to provoke an argument or response from everybody on this forum with your often abrasive posts. Calm yourself down and you'll get on fine, but keeping up this argumentative and rude way of communicating will soon start to grate on the wrong people I'm sure.

I'm going for a curry now before my appetite is spoiled by the negative posts that seem to becoming common place in the last few weeks. This last week I've been really busy and have dropped in now and then, but it has been quite disturbing to see the way the forum has changed into a virtual boxing ring of late.

 

[The Joker]

oh for gods sake!


SHUT UP

 

[Wayland]

6000 it goes up every time you mention that stat Gary, Im surprised this Thread hasnt been chopped yet with some witty last comment so no one else can have a say. .You say about some of the longer standing members not posting any more is it any wonder when theres always some googlemeister ready to urinate on the more experienced's camp fire or give some view that some one already gave in a previous post, i dont know whats happened to the neighbour hood eh, all i can say is what a "Rancour" as RM said thats my ken hom inpersination lol

Check your facts, they are wrong as usual.

 

[Paganwolf]

oh for gods sake!


SHUT UP

Yep, make you right total Rancour

 

[Kepis]

oh for gods sake!


SHUT UP

Well said Pete

 

[ScottC]

oh for gods sake!


SHUT UP

I agree with this...

 

[Ahjno]

I've had enough ... Tried to resolve a lighthearted solution ...

Thread locked. You can vent your frustrations to me by PM