torjusg said:
I don't respect vegetarism at all. Humans are omnivores and it would be practically impossible for humans to survive on plants alone in a non-fossile fueled world.
While the human intestinal tract is capable of digesting both plant and animal foods, we evolved to eat primarily plant foods. Our teeth are made up of twenty molars, perfect for crushing and grinding plant foods, along with eight front incisors, which are well suited for biting into fruits and vegetables.
We only have four canine teeth designed for meat eating; our jaws moves both vertically to tear and laterally to crush. Carnivores' jaws swing only vertically. There is evidence for human body's primary need for plant foods; the main one being the length of the gut itself Carnivores has a short bowel, while herbivores have a bowel length proportionally comparable to humans'.
Researchers looked to the diets of other primates, chimpanzees, monkeys, gorillas and the like. These wild primates are omnivores herbivores and opportunistic carnivores. They eat mainly fruits and vegetables; they sometimes eat small animals, lizards, and eggs if given the opportunity. Gorilla and the orang-utans eat between one and two percent of animal foods. The rest of their diet is come from plant foods. It
has been put forward by researchers that humans are designed to gain around 1.5 (one point five) percent of their diet in the form of animal foods. Americans derive well over 50 percent of their calories from animal foods.
torjusg said:
Vegetarism is the usual post-modern crazyness we see all around and the only reason why it is so popular today is because most people are completely detached from the realities of life.
Based on the extensive studies examining the rate of diseases in various populations (epidemiological data), including the groundbreaking work of Dr. Price and their own observations of primitive cultures, Burkitt and Trowell formulated the following sequence of events:
First stage: In cultures consuming a traditional diet consisting of whole, unprocessed foods, the rate of chronic diseases, such as heart disease, diabetes, and cancer is quite low.
Second stage: Commencing with eating a more "Western" diet, there is a sharp rise in the number of individuals with obesity and diabetes.
Third stage: As more and more people abandon their traditional diet, conditions that were once quite rare become extremely common.
Examples of these conditions include constipation, haemorrhoids, varicose veins, and appendicitis.
Fourth stage: Finally, with full Westernization of the diet, other chronic degenerative or potentially lethal diseases, including heart disease, cancer, osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, and gout, become extremely common.
torjusg said:
it would be practically impossible for humans to survive on plants alone in a non-fossile fueled world. Especially on these latitudes.
it takes seven kilograms of grain to produce 1 kilogram of beef;
the conversion is 4-to-1 for pork and 2-to-1 for poultry.
Each kilogram of meat represents several kilograms of grain that could be consumed directly by humans.
To produce 31.2 million tonne of meat in 1993, US farm animals were fed 192.7 million tonne of feed concentrates, mostly corn. Additional feed took the form of roughage and pasture
Animal meat is very wasteful, much of the food eaten by cows for example is converted into manure, energy for movement, and the growth of body parts not eaten by people. Very little can appear as direct edible weight gain. For example, cattle excrete 40 kg of manure for every kilogram of edible beef produced
(source Environment Canada 1995)
To grow enough food to support a meat centred diet for the average Canadian takes 3.5 acres
To grow enough food to support a mainly vegetarian diet 0.5 acres
(source Durning and Brough 1991)
If there were no demand for meat, production would slow down over a few years as more and more people switched diet, the animals currently alive would be used up, and not replaced. The demand would fall and the supply would trail slowly behind it. Cattle would not be raised. The cows purpose would come to a natural end. There would not be fields and fields of old cows. There would just not be barns stuffed full of calfs. Of course wild cattle would still roam the range; just as now wild(ish) buffalos are kept as curios, or for the gourmet who can afford their meat
torjusg said:
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Vegetarism is the usual post-modern crazyness we see all around and the only reason why it is so popular today is because most people are completely detached from the realities of life. There are no rights in nature (which we are very much a part of by the way), it is pretty much everyone for himself. Eat and/or be eaten.
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Torjus Gaaren
This is where television as an educator falls down. Too much of anything is bad for you that is why you need to eat a BALANCED diet. Of course, if you eat too many Yams you body will reject it, not because it is bad for you just because there is too much fibre in Yams for them to be eaten exclusively, the recommended amount of dietary fibre is 20-35 grams a day. A single cup serving of Yam has 5.30 grams.
To be healthy in both the short term and long term you need a balanced diet. Made up of the following elements,
all easily available from non-meat sources
Carbohydrates
We obtain most of our carbohydrate in the form of starch. This can be found in potato, rice, spaghetti, yams, bread, and cereals.
Proteins
A 6-ounce broiled Porterhouse steak has 38 grams worth of protein. However, it also delivers 44 grams of fat, 16 of them saturated that is almost three-fourths of the recommended daily intake for saturated fat. The same amount of salmon gives you 34 grams of protein and 18 grams of fat, 4 of them saturated
A single cup serving of cooked lentils has 18 grams of protein, but less than 1 gram of fat
Fats
Nuts contain mono-unsaturated fats, polyunsaturated fats
nuts are a good substitute for meat (they contain protein, fat, iron, zinc and niacin). For example, ½ cup of nuts or ¼ cup of seeds or two tablespoons of nut and seed spreads like peanut butter or sesame seed paste is equivalent to a serve of meat.
Vitamins
There are 13 basic vitamins essential for bodily functions: Vitamins A, C, D, E, K, and the B vitamins (thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, pantothenic acid, biotin, vitamin B-6, vitamin B-12, and folate). They all can be obtained from food, and vitamin D and vitamin K can be synthesized by the body.
Vitamin A. Beta-carotene comes from carrots, pumpkin, sweet potatoes, winter squashes, cantaloupe, pink grapefruit, apricots, broccoli, and spinach. The more intense the color of a fruit or vegetable, the higher the beta-carotene content.
Vitamin D The body can synthesize vitamin D when the skin is exposed to sunshine.
Vitamin E is found in wheat germ, corn, nuts, seeds, olives, spinach, asparagus, and other green leafy vegetables, vegetable oils, and products made from vegetable oils, such as margarine.
Vitamin K is found in cabbage, cauliflower, spinach, soybeans, and cereals. Bacteria in the intestines normally also produce vitamin K.
Thiamine (vitamin B-1) cereals, pasta, whole grains, fish, dried beans, peas, and soybeans, Fruits, and vegetables contain some thiamine.
Niacin (vitamin B-3) is found nuts Legumes, cereals also supply some niacin.
Folate is found in green, leafy vegetables and many foods are now fortified with it as well.
Vitamin B-12 found in shellfish, and dirty or unwashed vegetable
Pantothenic acid and biotin Found in whole-grain cereals, legumes, yeast, broccoli and other vegetables in the cabbage family, white and sweet potatoes, lean beef, and other foods.
Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) is found in citrus fruits and their juices, strawberries, tomatoes, broccoli, turnip greens and other greens, sweet and white potatoes, and cantaloupe. Most other fruits and vegetables contain some vitamin C
Mineral Salts
Calcium: dark green leafy vegetables
Chromium: Whole grains, brewer's yeast, nuts, dried beans
Copper: Whole grains, nuts, oysters
Iron: dried beans, nuts, dried fruits, whole-grain and enriched grain products
Magnesium: Leafy green vegetables, nuts, whole grains, dried peas and beans,
Phosphorus: grains
Potassium: Fruits, vegetables, nuts, grains, seeds
Selenium: whole-grain breads and cereals,
Sodium: Table salt, vegetables,
Zinc: legumes, nuts, milk, yogurt, whole-grain cereals
Fibre
Fibre is an indigestible complex carbohydrate found in plants. Fibre is not a single food or substance. Fibre in itself has no calories because the body cannot absorb it. Therefore, high fibre foods low in fat are low in calories such as fruits and vegetables. fiber "bulks up" waste and moves it through the colon more rapidly, preventing constipation and possibly colon cancer. The trickiest accomplishments of fibre may lie with the stickiest kinds called gums and pectins, as they may keep cholesterol under control by removing bile acids that digest fat.
A lot of people have very good reasons to be vegan or vegetarian and at the end of the day everyone is free to eat what they choose. I do however believe some of the people choose to be vegetarian or vegan and they don't really know why themselves It's trendy and 'en vouge' or is perceived as cool perhaps. 
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regardless of how indigestible the gristley stew was 
That's maybe not fair, the food was generally very good if plain. Meat and two or three fresh veg and a substantial pudding, or soup and the main course. 
but in general I think we are fussier, and that we are given more choice than ever before. 
.....brought up to eat what I was given too, didn't like it then, won't eat it now, I'd rather be hungry. 
I'm not for putting that on the compost.
In a hospital situation I don't think a request for vegetarian/vegan food ought to be considered unusual, but a bottle of red she can get her visitors to supply 
