This miffed me off no end

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Silverback 1

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E-mail received today from a Simon Yip of the Press Complaints Commission saying that after many complaints, the article is now being investigated and i (we) would be sent the results of their findings in due course.
Things appear to be happening in the corridors of power, thanks again Red.
 

Kepis

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Got this today:

Dear Mr Lister
Thank you for your email.
We are currently investigating this article following an earlier complaint. We will let you know the outcome of our investigation when we can.
Best wishes

Simon Yip
Complaints Coordinator
Press Complaints Commission
Halton House
20/23 Holborn
London EC1N 2JD
Tel: 020 7831 0022
Website: www.pcc.org.uk

Got the same email as well, fingers crossed the pro-active joint effort might achieve something
 
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Elines

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I have also sent off a complaint. Not because I am into guns - I'm not - but because I am fed up with the scaremongering hysteria whipped up by newspapers.
 

British Red

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Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer
The Slings and Arrows of outrageous Fortune,
Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them

You either stand up to these people, or choose to let them get away with it. If enough people stand up, often enough, they change. Poeple saying "no" got the Sun's sister paper closed down recently.
 

santaman2000

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You either stand up to these people, or choose to let them get away with it. If enough people stand up, often enough, they change. Poeple saying "no" got the Sun's sister paper closed down recently.

Not disagreeing at al. I suppose what I'm getting at is that a campaign to get the paper to retract it's article might not really be enough. Rather realize that it will likely be neccessary to do it again and again. And if possible mount your own publicity campaign to counter such falsehoods.
 

British Red

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You are right of course - and we (BASC) do that. It also about sensible, moderate, thinking people like the members of this forum standing up to hysteria, untruths and scaremongers. Banning things "because they are scary" based upon the fears and prejudices of the ill informed needs to stop. Not by anger and slanging matches, but by calm logic, education and using things like the press code of conduct to oppose it at every turn.
 

British Red

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I consider it an opening salvo - and a small win.

I (and I know many others) am sick of the inaccurate, exaggerated and downright hysterical anti shooting fervour exhibited by a minority who have no real understanding of the truth (and also who choose to ignore the fact that there are many things that are sports or leisure activities and cause far more injuries and deaths).

Every time inaccuracies and untruths are published in future I will be reporting the publisher to the authorities, the BASC, and if relevant the PCC.
 

Lister

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An email I received earlier pointed me here:

http://www.pcc.org.uk/case/resolved.html?article=ODI1OA

Seems the complaint was upheld... although the retraction certainly isn't made in the same scaremongering manner the original article was.

A small win?

I can't remember is The Sun ever issued an apology over it's Hillsborough 'The Truth' headline, or at least in the same manner i.e front-page headline/article.
 

Kepis

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Got the same email, it's a step in the right direction and a small win, good to see there were over 70 complainants
 
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I can't remember is The Sun ever issued an apology over it's Hillsborough 'The Truth' headline, or at least in the same manner i.e front-page headline/article.

There was one issued, but it was a tiny tiny one buried in the paper. While not a football fan I find the way the fan's where treated and maligned horrific.
 

mrostov

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Looks like the media in the USA and the UK are moving in lockstep on their dishonesty. BTW, speaking of rampant dishonesty in the media concerning guns, if you guys want Piers Morgan back, we'll gladly oblige. In fact, we'll go out of our way to freeze dry him for you in order to save on the shipping.
 
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Bumbler

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You think its bad when the press makes mistakes. How about when a politically appointed comission, investigating a terrorist attack makes recomendations for new laws based in pure fantasy?

Here are some of the recomendations the comission that investigated the Utøya massacre in Norway came out with:


«Many semi automatic weapons can be modified into fully automatic weapons. This can happen by purchasing extra equipment like new magazines»
«A ban on the purchase of semi-automatic weapons and parts that can transform a conventional weapon (i.e: bolt action rifles) into a semi automatic weapons. »

Of course there were reactions...


– These are blatant factual errors. A semi-automatic weapon does not turn fully automatic by changing the magazine. Nor is it possible for an individual to rebuild a manually loaded weapon to semi-automtic says the hunting consultant of the Norwegian Hunting and fishing association.

-it's like saying that a car with a manual gearbox, becomes a car with an automatic transmission by replacing the tyres he gives as an example.

Also the president of the weapons comission, the organisation for the Norwegian weapons industry reacts on the information from the 22. july comission.

-The part about the magazines is clearly drivel. I would really like to know what parts can modify regular fire arms (bolt action rifles) to semi automatics. These are two entirely different construction, and no parts that I know about can change that, says Randulf Tønnesen

(NRK - http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.8282748)

So this is the type of facts our politicians base their desitions on. And surprise , surprise. Semi auto weapons will be banned in Norway if the Government gets their way...well, we vote them out of office this autumn anyway. But the people likely to take over are the same type of nitwits so that won't help....
 

santaman2000

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You think its bad when the press makes mistakes. How about when a politically appointed comission, investigating a terrorist attack makes recomendations for new laws based in pure fantasy?

Here are some of the recomendations the comission that investigated the Utøya massacre in Norway came out with:


«Many semi automatic weapons can be modified into fully automatic weapons. This can happen by purchasing extra equipment like new magazines»
«A ban on the purchase of semi-automatic weapons and parts that can transform a conventional weapon (i.e: bolt action rifles) into a semi automatic weapons. »

Of course there were reactions...


– These are blatant factual errors. A semi-automatic weapon does not turn fully automatic by changing the magazine. Nor is it possible for an individual to rebuild a manually loaded weapon to semi-automtic says the hunting consultant of the Norwegian Hunting and fishing association.

-it's like saying that a car with a manual gearbox, becomes a car with an automatic transmission by replacing the tyres he gives as an example.

Also the president of the weapons comission, the organisation for the Norwegian weapons industry reacts on the information from the 22. july comission.

-The part about the magazines is clearly drivel. I would really like to know what parts can modify regular fire arms (bolt action rifles) to semi automatics. These are two entirely different construction, and no parts that I know about can change that, says Randulf Tønnesen

(NRK - http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.8282748)

So this is the type of facts our politicians base their desitions on. And surprise , surprise. Semi auto weapons will be banned in Norway if the Government gets their way...well, we vote them out of office this autumn anyway. But the people likely to take over are the same type of nitwits so that won't help....

Actually during WWI a device (called The Pederson Device) was developped to do just that. It was fitted to specially modified Model 1903 Springfield rifles (bolt actions) to semi automatic. BUT! It's not something you could just do in the spare bedroom. www.nps.gov/spar/historyculture/automatic-pistol.htm
 

British Red

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It always amazes me how people can be totally ignorant about a subject and yet feel qualified to offer proposals on legislating it. One would hope that people who wish to offer opinions on legislation would at least study the subject to a rudimentary level.
 

Ed Edwards

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I spent nearly 20 years in the Military as a Weapons/Explosives Specialist. Not only has it ruined practically every action film I've ever seen, it also makes me recoil (pun definitely intended) whenever I hear another knee jerk reaction to a criminal act; normally carried out with an illegally held firearm I hasten to add, causing the further criminalisation of a piece of 'machinery'.

I had this argument a while back and I quoted the amount of massacres/atrocities carried out with every day kitchen knives to someone who wanted to ban 'tool knives'. You can't legislate evil acts out of society. End of. If the will is there the crime will take place, you're just replacing one 'tool' with another.

My experiences of UK 'ammunition incidents' find the user is normally at fault, predominantly through unfamiliarity and/or nervousness in unload drills. If our culture was less fearful of firearms and instead had a healthy respect and knowledge we'd probably be a lot better off.

I know lots will disagree, but I feel I come from an informed position.
 

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