The Titanic sinking conspiracy theory

[Biker]

if its fake why did the soviet union not expose it as fake. there's absolutely no way that they wouldn't have been listening in on the transmissions, and they had a vested interest in discrediting the americans (cold war). a cover up that big is impossible

Watch the documentary is all I say, they cover that aspect in it. I don't have all the answers, never claimed I had. Just this gut feeling that something just ain't right about a lot of things we all take for granted.

 

[santaman2000]

I did watch that docu you put up Biker and it confirmed alot of what I thought about the moon landings and enlightened me on other aspects, such as the Hasselblad V-Series camera (ahem lens changing) lol, the 'extra' lighting, etc., as a photographer I have both used Hasselblads and know the rudimentaries of lighting. The 500EL used used a remote trigger as the gloves were too clumsy to operate the shutter lever, motor wind (gloves wind lever), but they changed a lens actually wearing the gloves outside the lander? The Reseau plate (grid markings) some major anomolies with the reticles! The lighting speaks for itself, lunar reflection my butt!

I have no problem with men walking on the moon, or the retro-reflectors being left there, I do have a problem with it being Aldrin and Armstrong (only 1 pic of Armstrong on the moon btw?) :yikes: I think whoever left the stuff there died because of it and it was covered up and the US was given some heroes, maybe why Armstrong is a virtual recluse and Aldrin won't swear on the bible, guilt.

And anyone who thinks the US government wouldn't lie to the rest of the world is in cloud cuckoo land, they ALL lie to their own peoples daily, but the US government are IMHO the most secretive, deceitful and paranoid government on the planet bar none.

(Disclaimer - No offence to any Amercian dude and dudettes who may be reading this thread, I have nothing against the US apart from fast food, fossil fuel consumption, carbon footprint, 'world policing' & wrestling in Neon Spandex. I am afterall just a mere Limey, with no car, a small flat, no heroes and no stars on the flag).


Si

Please; don't be bashful. Tell us what you really think.

 

[santaman2000]

...However, guys, lay off the men in tights! Yes, of course its correographed. But as a decent judoka and avid dabbler in a variety of martial arts in my youth, let me tell those wot dont kno that what those guys do is incredibly dangerous, regardless of the acting involved. Slightly too much pressure on locks breaks elbows, knees or ankles, misjudging the shoulder positioning on a neckbreaker will break a neck or back, clotheline done incorrectly might not only break your own elbow or shoulder, but break your opponents neck. Ditto kicks to the head, neck and jaw, dropkicks to the chest area - the list is endless. And when you add up the height these guys jump from, and their weight, you've just got to admire both their professionalism and testicular fortitude. Yes, I know the ring is well sprung, but having a twenty stone guy jumping off a top rope onto your head is what's called high-risk activity It's a cross between Eastenders, ballet and Russian Roulette.....................

As I said, I'd consider them to be "stunt men." Not true athletes in the strictest meaning of the word, but skilful and "athletic" nonetheless.

 

[santaman2000]

...PS there's a field in Pennsylvania that they said was the site of the plane the passengers took over on that day, yet the hole in the ground looks like a hole in the grrund, not like ANY plane crash site you've seen ANYwhere on news footage...

I don't know about plane crash sites seen "on news footage" but it looks does like most of the plane crash sites I've seen in person.

 

[Biker]

I don't know about plane crash sites seen "on news footage" but it looks does like most of the plane crash sites I've seen in person.

Google image search brought this image of the field in Pennsylvania

Compared it to this actual Airliner crash picture and many others often seen in news footage of these events. Yet no fuselage, engine parts or wreckage of any kind is visible. Official word says that flight 93 plane vapourised on impact... every last shred of it including the engine propshafts. Amazing!

 

[sapper1]

That top picture is not a plane crash,not a chance .

 

[rik_uk3]

http://www.clavius.org/

This site debunks the conspiracy people

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-sites.html pictures of the landing site showing moon buggy tracks

Can you imagine the sheer joy Russia would have had if they could prove the landings never happened lol There would have been dancing in Red Square; the landings happened and so no dancing.

wen da 9/11 posts startin init

 

[Urban X]

http://www.clavius.org/

This site debunks the conspiracy people

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-sites.html pictures of the landing site showing moon buggy tracks

Can you imagine the sheer joy Russia would have had if they could prove the landings never happened lol There would have been dancing in Red Square; the landings happened and so no dancing.

wen da 9/11 posts startin init

"Moon Base Clavius is an organization of amateurs and professionals devoted to the Apollo program and its manned exploration of the moon. Our special mission is to debunk the so-called conspiracy theories that state such a landing may never have occurred."

Haha yeah just about sums them up.

Anyone half decent with PS could do those moon pics in a few mintues, I'm sure given the personel NASA has it'd be a doddle lmao no 'proof' there.

You've already missed the start of 9/11 we have pics of a bloody great hole above with no plane bits in it!

 

[santaman2000]

As I said, I don't know about "news footage" I kno what I've seen personally at actual crash sites. And for what it's worth, jets don't have "engine prop shafts." But it's true wreckage is usually strewn over a large radius IF the impact was at a shallow angle. If it was at a steep angle, with enough fuel on board, it could easily vaporize on impact.

Google image search brought this image of the field in Pennsylvania

Compared it to this actual Airliner crash picture and many others often seen in news footage of these events. Yet no fuselage, engine parts or wreckage of any kind is visible. Official word says that flight 93 plane vapourised on impact... every last shred of it including the engine propshafts. Amazing!

 

[Corso]

the moon landings weren't faked because they left a mirror there that is still used every night to bounce a laser off to measure how far away the moon is. its how we know its getting 3 centimetres further away every year.

the flag does not wave. it stands out because it has wire mesh sewn into it, no atmosphere on the moon means no waving flag, which was a problem for NASA because they wanted people to see a flag not some cloth hanging on a stick. the flag moves like its waving because the astronauts are trying to stick the pole in the ground.

Biker, the bulky spacesuit makes it incredibly hard to do anything in any gravity its like wearing a sumo suit, they weren't designed for comfort they were designed to keep the astronauts safe. put a sumo suit on, 3 pairs of gloves then try and pick up a hammer off the bottom of a swimming pool then you'll have some idea of what it feels like.

at the end of the day all conspiracy theorists believe that they are right, and won't listen to anything resembling reason regarding these 'theories' so there's no point even trying. as has already been said there were a lot of organisations, and nations, with a vested interest in saying they were faked, and none of them did, even the Soviet Union. also any cover up of that scale would be doomed to failure because of the sheer number of people involved, the entire idea is ridiculous

There is of course a third option the landing happened but the footage was fake - they would have easily come to the conclusion that they would not be able to offer the TV freindly proof they so desired due to the high levels of radiation and mocked it up at home prior to the launch.

 

[Huon]

"Moon Base Clavius is an organization of amateurs and professionals devoted to the Apollo program and its manned exploration of the moon. Our special mission is to debunk the so-called conspiracy theories that state such a landing may never have occurred."

Haha yeah just about sums them up.

I assume we can take a similar view of groups devoted to proving that the landing didn't take place?

The dismissive scoffing seems fairly selective.

 

[Urban X]

I'd say it was along the lines of the scoffing toward anyone not believing everything NASA says to be true???


Si

 

[Qwerty]

I've enjoyed the [SIZE=-1]Moon Landing Hoax debunked by Patrick Moore and Douglas Arnold on BBC a number of years ago. [/SIZE]http://radicalfilms.co.uk/2008/01/26/sky-at-night-moon-hoax-debunked-by-patrick-moore/

 

[santaman2000]

I'd say it was along the lines of the scoffing toward anyone not believing everything NASA says to be true???


Si

Fair enough; IF!!! If it were only NASA. But as has been pointed out, it would also involve the USSR, China, every nation in the world with radar & radio technology (many of whom have or had a vested interest in refuting the moon landing), every ham operator in the world, etc. That's an awefully big conspiracy.

 

[Urban X]

Lol ok I'll say again I'm not saying that man didn't ever land on the moon I 'am' saying I don't think it was the 3 who we're told were there. 'I' think alot of the pics were faked, from what I've seen of the photographs, explanations from 'NASA' just don't cut it.


Si

 

[georann]

Anyone else noticed the Titanic discussion fizzled out pretty quickly... (Maybe Tony is in on it and hes deleting posts to end the conversation and prevent us uncovering the truth!)

Don't get me started on conspiracies

 

[Biker]

Look at it this way boys and girls.

On one hand NASA says they went to the moon. On the other hand debunkers or conspiracy theorist say they didn't.

The debunkers say the command module and the lunar module would have to pass through the Van Allen belt with is 1,000 miles above the earth extending 20,000 miles out this area is lethal to anything unshielded. Yet in 1969 three men in ship with walls thinner than a coke can managed to achieve this miracle carrying camera film THERE and BACK which was devloped on earth and was found to be undamaged. Yet the Space Shuttle with it's shielding went 350 miles out and 650 miles below the Van Allen belt and the astronauts reported high levels of radiation.

Maybe NASA struck a deal with God to ask the Van allen belt to suspend business during the Apollo years and not wipe camera film back then too.

Or maybe they just didn't do it?

Which is the more plausable?

 

[Mesquite]

Compared it to this actual Airliner crash picture and many others often seen in news footage of these events. Yet no fuselage, engine parts or wreckage of any kind is visible. Official word says that flight 93 plane vapourised on impact... every last shred of it including the engine propshafts. Amazing!

Not that amazing if it hits the ground at extreme speed and acute angle. But you're wrong to say that every last shred vaporised, they recovered a lot from the crater itself as well as stuff that was spread out at distances over a mile away.

If I remember rightly they found the flight data recorder buried over 20ft below the bottom of crater... bear in mind that that recorder is located in the tail section that shows you just how much force was involved in the crash.

 

[HillBill]

I'm not making comment about whats fake or not. But, there are many countries that all bat for the same team, even though they oppose each other publicly. Russia being one such country.

if its fake why did the soviet union not expose it as fake. there's absolutely no way that they wouldn't have been listening in on the transmissions, and they had a vested interest in discrediting the americans (cold war). a cover up that big is impossible

 

[rob.wakelin]

"Moon Base Clavius is an organization of amateurs and professionals devoted to the Apollo program and its manned exploration of the moon. Our special mission is to debunk the so-called conspiracy theories that state such a landing may never have occurred."

Haha yeah just about sums them up.

Anyone half decent with PS could do those moon pics in a few mintues, I'm sure given the personel NASA has it'd be a doddle lmao no 'proof' there.

You've already missed the start of 9/11 we have pics of a bloody great hole above with no plane bits in it!

How about the laser dish then?

There was a good documentary on last year part of which explained the 'lack' of debris at the Pentagon and the other crash sit. Air crash investigators explained it all rather well... I'll try and find a link to it but doubt you'll believe the evidence presented in it.

I don't see why some can't just accept the FACT that we did land on the moon, the Titanic sank and a few loonies with little flying experience bought down to sky scrapper buildings... these things just happened.

On the subject of the moon landings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc
I do believe in UFO's