The Titanic sinking conspiracy theory

[Biker]

Anyone else noticed the Titanic discussion fizzled out pretty quickly... (Maybe Tony is in on it and hes deleting posts to end the conversation and prevent us uncovering the truth!)

Don't get me started on conspiracies

It's a well documented fact that Tony is a direct descendant of J. B. Ismay whose company built the Titanic and also supplied the guns to the assassins on that grassy knoll back in Dallas. So he's sorta keeping a low profile about this, but he's there working behind the scenes on damage control.

 

[Biker]

Not that amazing if it hits the ground at extreme speed and acute angle. But you're wrong to say that every last shred vaporised, they recovered a lot from the crater itself as well as stuff that was spread out at distances over a mile away.

If I remember rightly they found the flight data recorder buried over 20ft below the bottom of crater... bear in mind that that recorder is located in the tail section that shows you just how much force was involved in the crash.

They also found a neck scarf worn by one of the stewardesses and her driver's license which were obviously made of some seriously indestructable material... yet the entire engines evaporated as well as the heavy hydraulic rams within the landing gear. Amazing!

Search for "Loose change" on youtube

 

[HillBill]

Its like the plane that hit the pentagon, no wreckage at all, just a nice round hole in the side of the building. Its as though a plane with no wings hit it. and hole wasnt even as large as the fuselage of the aircraft said to hit it. No plane hit that building. Just as no plane crashed there.

Not that amazing if it hits the ground at extreme speed and acute angle. But you're wrong to say that every last shred vaporised, they recovered a lot from the crater itself as well as stuff that was spread out at distances over a mile away.

If I remember rightly they found the flight data recorder buried over 20ft below the bottom of crater... bear in mind that that recorder is located in the tail section that shows you just how much force was involved in the crash.

 

[santaman2000]

Look at it this way boys and girls.

On one hand NASA says they went to the moon. On the other hand debunkers or conspiracy theorist say they didn't.

The debunkers say the command module and the lunar module would have to pass through the Van Allen belt with is 1,000 miles above the earth extending 20,000 miles out this area is lethal to anything unshielded. Yet in 1969 three men in ship with walls thinner than a coke can managed to achieve this miracle carrying camera film THERE and BACK which was devloped on earth and was found to be undamaged...

Uh? You mean the same way my camera used to go under the x-rays at the airport undamaged?

 

[Corso]

I'm not making comment about whats fake or not. But, there are many countries that all bat for the same team, even though they oppose each other publicly. Russia being one such country.

That has me curious - what do you mean, NWO?

 

[santaman2000]

They also found a neck scarf worn by one of the stewardesses and her driver's license which were obviously made of some seriously indestructable material... yet the entire engines evaporated as well as the heavy hydraulic rams within the landing gear. Amazing!

Search for "Loose change" on youtube

Not that amazing either. It's not uncomon to find where a tornado has driven something as fragile as a pine needle through a solid piece of lumber.

 

[HillBill]

That has me curious - what do you mean, NWO?

I wouldn't go so far as to give them a name. As i do not know. Nor do i think they have sinister intentions. But there is definately a group or groups who are working together privately for a common cause. Weather that be money making, social experiment, or other reasons. But not all seen in the public view is as it seems.

 

[Corso]

Uh? You mean the same way my camera used to go under the x-rays at the airport undamaged?

not realy

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/tib/tib5201.shtml

much lower levels

 

[Biker]

Not that amazing either. It's not uncomon to find where a tornado has driven something as fragile as a pine needle through a solid piece of lumber.

All I'm saying is that it's pretty convenient that a driver's license should be found at the scene which links that nondescript hole in the ground to someone who was supposed to have been on the plane. Al neatly tied off. Govt says a plane crashed here, Joe public forms an orderly queue to say we believe you because you said so. Yet dismiss a hole in the ground, less than a third the wingspan of the plane and blindly accept that as the truth. Because someone in charge told them it was. The same people who think David Blaine's a fake.

 

[mountainm]

Not that amazing either. It's not uncomon to find where a tornado has driven something as fragile as a pine needle through a solid piece of lumber.

Mythbusters busted that one....

 

[santaman2000]

not realy

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/tib/tib5201.shtml

much lower levels

Actually really. Dozens of times with no damage to my film; processed or unprocessed. Cain't speak for Kodak's site but I do know personal experience. Possibly (probably) true about the difference in radiation level though.

 

[santaman2000]

Mythbusters busted that one....

Reaaly? I've seen them. In any case I have as much confidence in Mythbusters as I do in any other "reality" show or in Wiki.

 

[santaman2000]

All I'm saying is that it's pretty convenient that a driver's license should be found at the scene which links that nondescript hole in the ground to someone who was supposed to have been on the plane. Al neatly tied off. Govt says a plane crashed here, Joe public forms an orderly queue to say we believe you because you said so. Yet dismiss a hole in the ground, less than a third the wingspan of the plane...

Wings fold back on impact.

 

[sapper1]

Been waiting for someone to mention Van Allen

Look at it this way boys and girls.

On one hand NASA says they went to the moon. On the other hand debunkers or conspiracy theorist say they didn't.

The debunkers say the command module and the lunar module would have to pass through the Van Allen belt with is 1,000 miles above the earth extending 20,000 miles out this area is lethal to anything unshielded. Yet in 1969 three men in ship with walls thinner than a coke can managed to achieve this miracle carrying camera film THERE and BACK which was devloped on earth and was found to be undamaged. Yet the Space Shuttle with it's shielding went 350 miles out and 650 miles below the Van Allen belt and the astronauts reported high levels of radiation.

Maybe NASA struck a deal with God to ask the Van allen belt to suspend business during the Apollo years and not wipe camera film back then too.

Or maybe they just didn't do it?

Which is the more plausable?

 

[sapper1]

Wings fold back on impact.

Take a look at CLC or shaped charges and you'll see that they don't always.
A wing full of fuel travelling forward will not crumple it's as solid as steel.

 

[santaman2000]

Take a look at CLC or shaped charges and you'll see that they don't always.
A wing full of fuel travelling forward will not crumple it's as solid as steel.

True enough "not always." Often enough though that arguement "the size of the hole made is less than 1/3 the wingspan" has no bearing.

And NO they are not "solid steel." They're fairly fragile aluminum. I worked on them long (over 20 years) enough to know that. They crumpled very easily whenever some idiot would push a maintenence stand into them at walking speed. Guess who had to repair the damage.

 

[Corso]

Actually really. Dozens of times with no damage to my film; processed or unprocessed. Cain't speak for Kodak's site but I do know personal experience. Possibly (probably) true about the difference in radiation level though.

no what i'm saying is not realy the same levels/types of radiation

I'm just going by my (medical) experience with radiation levels and film fogging - we used to use film as the primary method of personel exposure checks (use TLD's now) and the levels for fogging were alot lower than those said to be outside my atmosphere.

I have little opinon about whether they went I just want to know how they got the flim back in one piece.

 

[Huon]

I'd say it was along the lines of the scoffing toward anyone not believing everything NASA says to be true???


Si

Not my point and I don't think I've scoffed - yet

I was simply saying that you can't tar one group for having stating that they are actively trying to disprove one set of claims and at the same time laud another for trying do same thing for another set of claims. To convince NASA/moon landing happened supporters (me included) you'd have to handle the Clavius arguments with the same respect you'd ask us to have towards the various YouTube videos etc. that we are being urged to watch.

 

[sapper1]

You mis understand.
What I meant was :-

An airplane wing full of fuel when travelling along at speed is as strong as steel due to the mass of fuel behind the aluminium skin,as it's all travelling at the same speed in the same direction the effect is the same as a solid mass of liquid with a skin on top of it.slap a bucket full of water with the flat of your hand as hard as you can and then do the same with a layer of tinfoil(same as hats) over the top.you'll see what I'm getting at.

True enough "not always." Often enough though that arguement "the size of the hole made is less than 1/3 the wingspan" has no bearing.

And NO they are not "solid steel." They're fairly fragile aluminum. I worked on them long (over 20 years) enough to know that. They crumpled very easily whenever some idiot would push a maintenence stand into them at walking speed. Guess who had to repair the damage.

 

[Biker]

True enough "not always." Often enough though that arguement "the size of the hole made is less than 1/3 the wingspan" has no bearing.

So a wing slipped between the blades of grass but only damaged the turf and soil near the centre of the hole. The hole wasn't even a burnt out crater for pity's sake, clean raw soil turned over and some debris scattered about. Yet that was all that remained of a full sized passeneger airliner going down?

The alternative would be that it wasn't, but someone told us it was, because the alternative is just too distubing to contemplate.