The Titanic sinking conspiracy theory

[santaman2000]

no what i'm saying is not realy the same levels/types of radiation

I'm just going by my (medical) experience with radiation levels and film fogging - we used to use film as the primary method of personel exposure checks (use TLD's now) and the levels for fogging were alot lower than those said to be outside my atmosphere.

I have little opinon about whether they went I just want to know how they got the flim back in one piece.

I'll concede the difference in radiation levels and fair enough questions. I'm not really familiar with just what types of radiation are present in the Van Allen Belt nor with what types (is any) radiation shielding was on the Apollo capsules. It would be logical to think that they were shielded as the Van Allen Belt had been confirmed and explored by unmanned craft in the 1950s.

 

[santaman2000]

You mis understand.
What I meant was :-

An airplane wing full of fuel when travelling along at speed is as strong as steel due to the mass of fuel behind the aluminium skin,as it's all travelling at the same speed in the same direction the effect is the same as a solid mass of liquid with a skin on top of it.slap a bucket full of water with the flat of your hand as hard as you can and then do the same with a layer of tinfoil(same as hats) over the top.you'll see what I'm getting at.

Following that logic then a metal bullet flying at much higher velocities (a jacketed 30-06 flies above mach 3) would be as solid as steel; and yet they also break up on impact.

Regardless though, it is common (normal actually) for wings to fold on impact. Without arguing over the reasons why they do or do not, suffice it to say that I've seen crash sites first hand and personally confirmed it. Granted I didn't visit the site in Pa. personally so I cain't say anything more about it than simply: from the photo, it is compatable with a normal steep angle crash site.

 

[Biker]

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I have little opinon about whether they went I just want to know how they got the flim back in one piece.

And most if not all went on to live happy and healthy lives without any signs of cancer related illnesses. Come the nuclear war I'm gonna buy me a spacesuit. The radiation after a nuclear holocaust would be nothing to the stuff Van Allen uses to hold up his trousers.

 

[santaman2000]

So a wing slipped between the blades of grass but only damaged the turf and soil near the centre of the hole. The hole wasn't even a burnt out crater for pity's sake, clean raw soil turned over and some debris scattered about...

I've never yet visited a crash site where the soil was "a burnt out crater."

 

[wattsy]

I wouldn't go so far as to give them a name. As i do not know. Nor do i think they have sinister intentions. But there is definately a group or groups who are working together privately for a common cause. Weather that be money making, social experiment, or other reasons. But not all seen in the public view is as it seems.

they're called the UN

 

[sapper1]

Basics physics.

Liquids are not compressible this is why a belly flop hurts.

Metals are compressible,this is why it can be tempered and case hardened.
If you could encase water so that it would travel at mach three without it dispersing or boiling off it wouldn't deform it would pierce what ever it hit.

Bullets break and deform because the are compressible

Following that logic then a meatal bullet flying at much higher velocities (a jacketed 30-06 flies above mach 3) would be as solid as steel; and yet they also break up on impact.

 

[mountainm]

Basics physics.

Liquids are not compressible this is why a belly flop hurts.

Metals are compressible,this is why it can be tempered and case hardened.
If you could encase water so that it would travel at mach three without it dispersing or boiling off it wouldn't deform it would pierce what ever it hit.

Bullets break and deform because the are compressible

hmmm

So gases - easy to compress - less dense than liquids
Liquids - difficult (but not impossible to compress) denser than gases, less dense than solids.
Solids - More compressable than liquids - yet denser than the other states?

That doesn't ring true to me I'm afraid.

 

[Biker]

I've never yet visited a crash site where the soil was "a burnt out crater."

Plane crash site:

Hole in the ground

I'm not doubting your word about plane crash sites but the difference I see between those on news footage and the one in Pennsylvania is a bit like

 

[sapper1]

hmmm

So gases - easy to compress - less dense than liquids
Liquids - difficult (but not impossible to compress) denser than gases, less dense than solids.
Solids - More compressable than liquids - yet denser than the other states?

That doesn't ring true to me I'm afraid.

Cold water sinks yet ice floats
Electricity flows from negative to positive but all the books say the opposite
non newtonian liquids behave as solids when under pressure And tension

These also don't ring true ,but they are.

Because we don't understand something doesn't make it wrong.

 

[sapper1]

Plane crash site:

Hole in the ground

I'm not doubting your word about plane crash sites but the difference I see between those on news footage and the one in Pennsylvania is a bit like

Love it.......

 

[sapper1]

Solids - More compressable than liquids - yet denser than the other states?

I can dent solid metal with a hammer,no matter how hard I hit a liquid with a hammer it doesn't dent.

 

[mountainm]

Cold water sinks yet ice floats
Electricity flows from negative to positive but all the books say the opposite
non newtonian liquids behave as solids when under pressure And tension

These also don't ring true ,but they are.

Because we don't understand something doesn't make it wrong.

Point me at more info please? There must be a measure of compressibility of a material. I would've thought this was density? In general metals are denser than liquids (although it does depend greatly on the liquid) but lets assume steel and Petrol.

Steel AFAIK doesn't float in petrol.

 

[wattsy]

Look at it this way boys and girls.

On one hand NASA says they went to the moon. On the other hand debunkers or conspiracy theorist say they didn't.

The debunkers say the command module and the lunar module would have to pass through the Van Allen belt with is 1,000 miles above the earth extending 20,000 miles out this area is lethal to anything unshielded. Yet in 1969 three men in ship with walls thinner than a coke can managed to achieve this miracle carrying camera film THERE and BACK which was devloped on earth and was found to be undamaged. Yet the Space Shuttle with it's shielding went 350 miles out and 650 miles below the Van Allen belt and the astronauts reported high levels of radiation.

Maybe NASA struck a deal with God to ask the Van allen belt to suspend business during the Apollo years and not wipe camera film back then too.

Or maybe they just didn't do it?

Which is the more plausable?

NASA knows all about the Van Allen belts which is why all the Apollo missions followed a trajectory along the edge of the belts avoiding the areas of strongest radiation, with each astronaut receiving much less than the 5 rem set by the US Atomic Energy Commission as a guideline. NASA, and the people who work for it, are not thick.

on the one hand an internationally respected scientific organisation with a proven track record of space exploration, and a huge contribution to science, and on the other small minded individuals with too much time and internet access who want to jump on great individuals and call themselves tall. pathetic

 

[mountainm]

Solids - More compressable than liquids - yet denser than the other states?

I can dent solid metal with a hammer,no matter how hard I hit a liquid with a hammer it doesn't dent.

Yes it does - it just moves back - in a metal that is malleability. The volume of the metal remains the same. You create a big dint in the liquid causing ripples where the displaced liquid moves back to replace the space created.

 

[HillBill]

No they are not. The bilderberg group is the prime candidate. The UN is just a military arm of such a group

they're called the UN

 

[sapper1]

Point me at more info please? There must be a measure of compressibility of a material. I would've thought this was density? In general metals are denser than liquids (although it does depend greatly on the liquid) but lets assume steel and Petrol.

Steel AFAIK doesn't float in petrol.

Use google and you'll find many places that teach physics,I never actually qualified to teach it.

 

[mountainm]

Use google and you'll find many places that teach physics,I never actually qualified to teach it.

My google fu is leaving me lacking info - I wasn't disputing you were correct, just interested to learn more given it sounds contrary to expectations.

 

[wattsy]

Cold water sinks yet ice floats. because the hydrogen in water has a positive charge and the oxygen has a negative charge, the hydrogen bonds in water adjust in cold temperatures to keep the oxygen apart, making ice 9% less dense than water.

Electricity flows from negative to positive but all the books say the opposite. all the way through school i've been taught that electrons flow from negative to positive. makes sense because electrons are negatively charged and like charges repel. learned all of that from books so you're wrong there i'm afraid.


non newtonian liquids behave as solids when under pressure And tension. not all of them ketchup is a non-newtonian liquid and it doesn't behave as you say it should.

These also don't ring true ,but they are. they all make perfect sense when you understand the science. people understand these situations perfectly, science explains them all

 

[wattsy]

Solids - More compressable than liquids - yet denser than the other states?

I can dent solid metal with a hammer,no matter how hard I hit a liquid with a hammer it doesn't dent.

pseudo-science. i can't punch air it doesn't make it harder than steel does it?

 

[santaman2000]

Basics physics.

Liquids are not compressible this is why a belly flop hurts.

Metals are compressible,this is why it can be tempered and case hardened.
If you could encase water so that it would travel at mach three without it dispersing or boiling off it wouldn't deform it would pierce what ever it hit...

Still irrelevant to a wing folding on impact; they fold (collapse) at the wing root where there are no tanks.