Improbable isnt the same as impossible. Many improbable things do happen.
And the bottom highlighted bit applies to both parties
The Titanic sinking conspiracy theory
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Improbable isnt the same as impossible. Many improbable things do happen.
And the bottom highlighted bit applies to both parties
Can anyone provide a good explanation as to why the main support girders in the basement of the twin towers were "cut" diagonally? Surely if the building had collapsed due to the weight of the above floors falling ontop of each other, they would be bent & buckled? Also there were initially reports of fire service crews & public who heard & saw explosions and plumes of smoke from the basement of the buildings moments before they fell!
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I feel the words conspiracy & cover up, can be interchangeable. What about the AIDS virus? Said to come from Africa, there is a video on YouTube (can't link as I'm in the phone), where the CEO of Merc pharmaceutical clearly states in an interview, that they caused the virus as a result of importing black market (cheaper and faster to import) monkeys from Africa to use in creating vaccines. These vaccines were then widely used in Africa. Coincidence, conspiracy or cover up - you decide
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Do you have pics please?
Failing that i would appreciate it if you could list the people who personally had access to these girder, their experience and qualifications as well please.
Yeah i remember seeing the images of that, plus theres the fact that traces of Thermite were found too.
Here are the cut girders
Traces of nano thermite were found in the rubble. This is a material that is basically an explosive designed for cutting metal.
Heres a Norweigan news clip on the matter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o
Heres another news article with an interview of one of the blokes who examined the rubble of 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RNyaoYR3y0
Here are the cut girders
Traces of nano thermite were found in the rubble. This is a material that is basically an explosive designed for cutting metal.
Heres a Norweigan news clip on the matter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o
Heres another news article with an interview of one of the blokes who examined the rubble of 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RNyaoYR3y0
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Yeah I looked at that. The theory seems to have originated with Steven Jones, one of the founders for Scholars for 9/11 truth. The same group they gave us the theories that the towers were knocked down by directed energy weapons and also that they were knocked down by mini-nukes.
Do we need to explain those too?
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We need to check on the alien knock-down theories too:
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=towers&action=display&num=1135028014&start=810
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=towers&action=display&num=1135028014&start=810
and let's not forget magnetic C4:
http://web.archive.org/web/20031219...nter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=29
Some time-travel for that one.
http://web.archive.org/web/20031219...nter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=29
Some time-travel for that one.
Biker
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Nice quotes Mike and I see your point but don't you think those who instigated these crimes haven't looked back over history and learnt from the mistakes made previously by others? Never has America been more secretive than it is now. The freedoms they so proudly speak of are dribbled away like sand through an hourglass.
Perhaps the Bush administration and the CIA, or whatever blackhat subdivision of it, had some clever examples to follow
Joseph Goebbels: The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over
Joseph Goebbels: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
and another from good ol' Joseph:
"Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the govenrment can play."
Herman Göring: "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
The last quote says it all for me.
Like I keep saying: I don't have all the answers, heck if I did I'd have written a book but if you want to seek out those answers it won't take long to run a search.
I have never disputed planes didn't crash into the WTC towers, but bear this in mind if you have ever chopped down a tree you start chopping your way through until the remaining fibres weaken and the top pulls the rest of it over sideways. Both of those planes hit near the top ¼ of the tower. But the collapse failed at exactly the same time and fell directly downwards in almost free fall. The remaining UNDAMAGED building below it didn't even compress and throw off the top part sideways. Physics doesn't work that way. everything naturally follows the path of least resistance.
WTC7 didn't have the luxury of a plane hitting it yet we're told raging fire roared inside hollowing out the core until the shell gave wave. I didn't see much smoke and I never knew office chairs and paper could burn so hot as to melt steel beams.
Remember - This feat has never been repeated before or since.
I don't know how many times I keep having to say the same things differently. I don't know who did it, I don't khow many were involved or the ins and outs of how it was done, but I do know it ain't like they said it was.
I think we can agree that this thread seems to have run its course. There are hundreds of forums devoted to this debate and they're still going on. Personally I think I'd get tired of an arguement lasting 11 years. So I'd much rather call it a day here now that the lines are clearly drawn.
One thing I do hope won't happen is that bad blood develops between those different factions when we go on to post other threads in the future. I call a lot of people here my friends and I've found some newer ones (from both camps) in the course of this thread too.
Thanks fellas. May your tarp always stay watertight and your boots never leak.
Aaron
Perhaps the Bush administration and the CIA, or whatever blackhat subdivision of it, had some clever examples to follow
Joseph Goebbels: The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over
Joseph Goebbels: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
and another from good ol' Joseph:
"Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the govenrment can play."
Herman Göring: "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
The last quote says it all for me.
Like I keep saying: I don't have all the answers, heck if I did I'd have written a book but if you want to seek out those answers it won't take long to run a search.
I have never disputed planes didn't crash into the WTC towers, but bear this in mind if you have ever chopped down a tree you start chopping your way through until the remaining fibres weaken and the top pulls the rest of it over sideways. Both of those planes hit near the top ¼ of the tower. But the collapse failed at exactly the same time and fell directly downwards in almost free fall. The remaining UNDAMAGED building below it didn't even compress and throw off the top part sideways. Physics doesn't work that way. everything naturally follows the path of least resistance.
WTC7 didn't have the luxury of a plane hitting it yet we're told raging fire roared inside hollowing out the core until the shell gave wave. I didn't see much smoke and I never knew office chairs and paper could burn so hot as to melt steel beams.
Remember - This feat has never been repeated before or since.
I don't know how many times I keep having to say the same things differently. I don't know who did it, I don't khow many were involved or the ins and outs of how it was done, but I do know it ain't like they said it was.
I think we can agree that this thread seems to have run its course. There are hundreds of forums devoted to this debate and they're still going on. Personally I think I'd get tired of an arguement lasting 11 years. So I'd much rather call it a day here now that the lines are clearly drawn.
One thing I do hope won't happen is that bad blood develops between those different factions when we go on to post other threads in the future. I call a lot of people here my friends and I've found some newer ones (from both camps) in the course of this thread too.
Thanks fellas. May your tarp always stay watertight and your boots never leak.
Aaron
Dont get silly
Facts are,
1, the girders were cut in a manner consistent with a controlled demolition
2, traces of material used to cut steel were found in the Rubble of WTC
3, WTC fell in a manner identical to that of a controlled demolition
All these FACTS are irrefutable. Why are they irrefutable? Because there is EVIDENCE or in the case of number 3, were seen by millions of people
Facts are,
1, the girders were cut in a manner consistent with a controlled demolition
2, traces of material used to cut steel were found in the Rubble of WTC
3, WTC fell in a manner identical to that of a controlled demolition
All these FACTS are irrefutable. Why are they irrefutable? Because there is EVIDENCE or in the case of number 3, were seen by millions of people
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Biker
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Don't you think you're just being a tad pedantic with this insistance on names and credentials? Take a look at the photo HillBill posted above it's there in the centre of the pic. No I don't know the fireman, nor do Iknow his bloodgroup or shoe size.
(seems this thread hasn't run it's course after all)
edit found a better image:
Seems this is an entirely natural phemomenon as a result of collapse... even to the melting drips of molton metal. NOT!
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Yeah i remember seeing the images of that, plus theres the fact that traces of Thermite were found too.
Here are the cut girders
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Traces of nano thermite were found in the rubble. This is a material that is basically an explosive designed for cutting metal.
Heres a Norweigan news clip on the matter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o
Heres another news article with an interview of one of the blokes who examined the rubble of 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RNyaoYR3y0
Thanks for posting the pic. Now I see you're actually taliking about a "piling." Girders "gird" a span (they go horizontally) That said it's irrelevent to your question but the pic offers another error that IS; You said "girders" (plural) whereas the photo only shows 1. It might have several answers. The most probable is that as the building fell another piece of falling structure sheared that particular piling (and any adjacent)
Dont get silly
Facts are,
1, the girders were cut in a manner consistent with a controlled demolition
2, traces of material used to cut steel were found in the Rubble of WTC
3, WTC fell in a manner identical to that of a controlled demolition
All these FACTS are irrefutable. Why are they irrefutable? Because there is EVIDENCE or in the case of number 3, were seen by millions of people
they aren't irrefutable though are they? you can't post a link with a bloke saying he found a girder cut diagonally then apply that to every girder in the building.
thermite is aluminium and iron oxide. absolutely no way there could be rust and aluminium in a building without it being thermite?
there is evidence for your theory but there's also evidence for the accepted theory because 2 socking great planes flew into those towers (not WTC 7 don't have an opinion on that as I haven't done any research)
if it was a government plot then I can't see it being done in such a half arsed manner. the CIA, NSA, FBI all have people paid just to think about this stuff there's no way they'd have missed the possibility that someone would find bits of it after (if it was done deliberately)
Is the theory that the controlled explosion was done as a damage limitation excercise (stop one building damaging others?) - otherwise I don't see the point? And if this is the case those kind of things take ages to rig up.
That doesn't explain the molten metal on the front of the piling? though. Sheared metal does not melt. Also this is at ground level, so was away from the heat. PLUS TRACES OF A MATERIAL WERE FOUND WHICH IS USED TO CUT METAL EXACTLY LIKE THAT PIC OF THE PILING.
