When was the pic taken, was it after they felled sections of the metal frames to enable access to search, how were the lifts held up, were there lifts that went down to the basement, have the credetials of that pile pic been tested.
The Titanic sinking conspiracy theory
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Without giving up the names of said witnesses we have absolutely no way to establish their credibility do we? They might be engineers trained by MIT or they might just as easily be the 3 Stooges.
There was nothing but time before the event
"IF" it was an inside job, then there is no reason why it couldn't have been done.
There was nothing but time before the event
No you misunderstand - I said I could understand them doing a controlled (and hasty) demolition to stop the buidling falling in a wider footprint causing further damage. But I can't understand any other motive for demolishing the building with prior knowledge given planes hit them. It's not like it reinforces any terror.
So what's the motive?
you're last 3 or 4 posts are the biggest load of cr£p I've ever read.
and I've read all of the Twilight Saga
1st point. If the idea was simply to create an illusion that the US had been attacked so as to make it easier to get public support for a war; then WHY go to all the trouble of a "controlled" collapse when it would have been oh so much easier to let the buildings topple over?
2nd point. As I recall the fires were fueled by the fuel oil/diesel fuel in the buildings emergency power generators.
Perhaps all the gold that was under the WTC? Simple robbery, destroy any evidence, buy lots of time before anyone notices its gone? With it being one of the worlds largest gold stores, its plausible. Especially for someone with the money/resources to pull it off.
They only found 220million worth of precious metals after the clean up, and that was under a building not hit or collapsed. Nothing came from under the buildings that collapsed.
They could have hit the towers with planes. Robbed em, dropped em, moved on to WTC 7 when everyone was looking at the main attraction, then dropped that when they were away.
Yes, its very elaborate, yes, its unlikely, but it IS possible.
Don't you think you're just being a tad pedantic with this insistance on names and credentials? Take a look at the photo HillBill posted above it's there in the centre of the pic. No I don't know the fireman, nor do Iknow his bloodgroup or shoe size.
(seems this thread hasn't run it's course after all)
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Seems this is an entirely natural phemomenon as a result of collapse... even to the melting drips of molton metal. NOT!
Having used burning gear to cut up a power station made with very heavy steel "I" beams,this photo looks exactly how an oxyacetylene torch cut looks.
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Point 1 even G.W.Bush and the black hats had some modicum of restraint. Plus Silverstien didn't has leases on all the property around the WTC.
Point 2 and this would have been suffucient to burn for hours and hours? Despite people still being in the building just prior to WTC7's collapse who got out to tell stories of bangs and explosive detonations. Had a deisel fire been raging on all floors surely they would have mentioned that too? yes there was fire, but not to the degree of inferno NIST portrayed in their simulations.
Assuming for a moment that it's a possible motive then we have to go on to the practcallity of the plan. IF someone (or group) had the finacial resources to pull off such a scheme then they were/are obviously good businessmen (else they'd never have amassed said resources) So do you really believe that they'd spend $millions (including the payroll of thousands of co-conspirators) on a risk to gain possibly $400,000,000 that would then have to be fenced without creating suspicion and then split?
Yes it's possible. But as you said,very, very, very unlikely.
Would you cut a piece of steel, that big, at such an angle so that the second the cut is complete the girder would come crashing down? No you wouldn't, no one would. It'd be as close to suicide as you could do. No, Acetylene cuts are made in such a way that the material being cut will not collapse on the cutter. Explosive residue was also found Chris.
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Larry Silverstein bought the lease for the buildings in July 2001 knowing they had to have a total refit and what asbestos was in there removed. Demolition would have cost BILLIONS. So it was insured to the hilt, which also included collapse through act of terrorism. Post 9/11 he filed for two seperate independant attacks on his property and won a nice fat bonus out of it as a result. he got his buildings removed and some nice fat real estate to play with after the rubble had gone.*
What's the motive? Bottom line - Money.
Pathetic eh?
*This is just a small in a nutshell description of what happened
What makes you think thousands were involved? I presume thats an assumption?
Less than a hundred tops i'd say.
It'd explain the governments sketchy stories. They didn't want the embarrassment of it happing on their soil under their noses etc?
$400 million in one of the worlds largest gold stores? No were talking billions rather than millions. There are 2 other gold stores in america with billions if not trillions in gold in them. I cant see there being such a low amount there. Kuwaits gold was there, bet that added up to more than a few billion.
Less than a hundred tops i'd say.
It'd explain the governments sketchy stories. They didn't want the embarrassment of it happing on their soil under their noses etc?
$400 million in one of the worlds largest gold stores? No were talking billions rather than millions. There are 2 other gold stores in america with billions if not trillions in gold in them. I cant see there being such a low amount there. Kuwaits gold was there, bet that added up to more than a few billion.
Just thought I'd pop up a link to the lunar surface journal website.
....for no other reason than I think it's a pretty interesting site and have lost myself in there for many hours in the past.
It's all in there(somewhere, lol) Flight plans, Van-Allan analysis, camera details, maps of the landing sites. There's hours(maybe days) of video scattered throughout, every photo taken on the missions, details of the experiments performed.....
...it goes on - it really does.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/frame.html
Sorry if it's already been posted. I can't claim to have read the whole thread but I get the idea.
Better to study the material yourself rather than just what the theorists have cherry-picked and laid out in whatever order suits their argument.
Oh, and Titanic theorists may be interested in "Titanic: The ship that didn't sink" by Robin Gardiner. Was written back in the eighties and is where all the "facts" in yon documentary first came from. Can't really recommend it, wasn't very convincing, was full of "Wouldn't it be more likely that....[insert some theory made up on the spot]" comments.
....for no other reason than I think it's a pretty interesting site and have lost myself in there for many hours in the past.
It's all in there(somewhere, lol) Flight plans, Van-Allan analysis, camera details, maps of the landing sites. There's hours(maybe days) of video scattered throughout, every photo taken on the missions, details of the experiments performed.....
...it goes on - it really does.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/frame.html
Sorry if it's already been posted. I can't claim to have read the whole thread but I get the idea.
Better to study the material yourself rather than just what the theorists have cherry-picked and laid out in whatever order suits their argument.
Oh, and Titanic theorists may be interested in "Titanic: The ship that didn't sink" by Robin Gardiner. Was written back in the eighties and is where all the "facts" in yon documentary first came from. Can't really recommend it, wasn't very convincing, was full of "Wouldn't it be more likely that....[insert some theory made up on the spot]" comments.
So they were transporting the gold out after the plane had hit? Gold is.heavy... So they need.some trucks, and possibly a forklift. A path through the traffic.. Oh and Jeremy Irons.....
Finding evidence of thermite is different than just finding evidence of the materials used to make it. For example, iron and carbon make steel. Yet steel is always described as steel, not its base materials. Same with thermite. We have the technology to identify the material.
I don't think its a government plot, i think it goes beyond government.
Oh BTW if you watch that RT vid i put up, it says evidence of standard explosive was found too.
I don't think its a government plot, i think it goes beyond government.
Oh BTW if you watch that RT vid i put up, it says evidence of standard explosive was found too.
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Fire engines with the water tanks removed would be my choice to do just that. There would have been fork lifts on site anyway.
Lets say gold is worth about 25678.80US per KG back then
so $400,000,000= 15,578 Kg of gold (approx)
15 tons of gold
I take this out from a building I know has been hit by a plane?
A US fire engine can carry just under 3.8 metric tons of water.
4 fire engines. Plus time to load them up and ship 'em out.
so $400,000,000= 15,578 Kg of gold (approx)
15 tons of gold
I take this out from a building I know has been hit by a plane?
A US fire engine can carry just under 3.8 metric tons of water.
4 fire engines. Plus time to load them up and ship 'em out.
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15 tons could be carried in 10 fire trucks easily, less perhaps, and would only take 10 minutes to load if it was palletised with a FLT. The figures seem high, but loading and transporting gold to that weight would be easy and quick. Due to the density of gold it wouldnt take up much space. Firetrucks are designed to cope with carrying heavy loads ( water)
That bit is very possible. A few dead guards wouldn't be a worry either after the collapse. plus fire trucks were going in and out of the WTC basement all morning and some were still there when the rubble had been cleared.
That bit is very possible. A few dead guards wouldn't be a worry either after the collapse. plus fire trucks were going in and out of the WTC basement all morning and some were still there when the rubble had been cleared.
